Where Were They???

In truth, I had no intention of writing again about Saturday’s horrific events for a few days yet.  I wanted to step back for a day or two … needed to step back for just a breather.  But, every news site I visit, international or domestic, Charlottesville IS the news.  And as I perused, almost against my will, page after page, two things drilled so heavily into my mind that … well, here I am again.

The first thing that is bothering me is, with all the violence, the hatred, the threats, injuries and deaths, why were so few of the white supremacists arrested?  Why are they not running their tin cups along the bars and dressed in prison orange tonight?  In addition to the driver of the car that crashed into a crowd of counter protestors, three of the white supremacists were arrested.  THREE!  Three whole people out of a crowd that numbered well into the hundreds, if not thousands!

James Alex Fields Jr., 20 years old, the driver of the car that plowed into the crowd, killing one and injuring 19 others, was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.  In addition to Fields, the other three arrests were:

  • Troy Dunigan, 21, of Chattanooga, Tennessee, was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.
  • Jacob L. Smith, 21, of Louisa, Virginia, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault & battery.
  • James M. O’Brien, 44, of Gainesville, Florida, was arrested and charged with carrying a concealed handgun.

Last month, the KKK held a rally in Charlottesville where 23 people were arrested.  There were no injuries or deaths related to that event, yet 23 people were arrested.  Compared to three this past weekend.  What the Sam Heck were the police doing???

According to an article in The Washington Post …

“Anger over how the police responded came from all directions and intensified after the death of a woman struck by a car that plowed into a group of counterprotesters. Experts said police appeared outnumbered, ill-prepared and inexperienced.

At one point, police appeared to retreat and then watch the beatings before eventually moving in to end the free-for-all, make arrests and tend to the injured. Complicating the dynamics was the fact that several dozen groups of armed militias — men in full camouflage toting assault-style weapons — were in the middle of the crowds.

Cornel West, the Princeton professor and writer who attended a morning church service at First Baptist Church in Charlottesville with a large group of clergy members, said “the police didn’t do anything in terms of protecting the people of the community, the clergy.””

Another report said that when violence first broke out, police stood on side streets behind barricades, but made no attempt to stop the melee. Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signor spoke out, justifiably, against Donald Trump for his inadequate, milquetoast response to the tragic events on Saturday.  I support Mayor Signer 100% in this.  But, I would like to see the mayor looking into the question of why men toting assault rifles in the middle of the city, threatening and browbeating others, and beating people with sticks and shields, were not arrested.  I expected to awaken on Sunday morning to the news that the jail in Charlottesville was filled to overflowing.  WHAT HAPPENED??? We have a right to know why those who threaten our very lives are not in jail!

Enter the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), and its head, Attorney General Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions.  Sessions talked the talk: “The violence and deaths in Charlottesville strike at the heart of American law and justice. When such actions arise from racial bigotry and hatred, they betray our core values and cannot be tolerated.” But will he walk the walk? I have doubts, as at this time, the investigation by the DOJ is limited to the homicide caused by James Fields.  A much broader investigation is needed, one that includes the white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups that caused the chaos of the weekend.

Granted it is early days yet, and the investigation could certainly be expanded in the coming days, but frankly I do not trust Mr. Sessions to do so, for it is a known fact that he, himself, was denied a judgeship during the Reagan administration based on his racist remarks and attitudes.

The other thing that struck me as I perused the news on Sunday was that the White House was busily making excuses for Trump’s lame, ineffectual response. Never before in my memory has a president and his entire administration been so out of tune with what the majority of the people in this country think, want and need.

The White House … and for the life of me, I wish they would stop with that, for I would like to know precisely who is saying what, and I am smart enough to realize that the White House itself cannot speak, so it was a person within the administration, but WHO???  The “White House” official defense was …

“The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred. Of course that includes white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups.”

I don’t want to hear the “White House” defend, justify or explain Trump’s remarks.  I want to hear from Trump exactly what he meant.  I want to hear Trump come out and call a spade a bloody shovel, call this act by its rightful names:  terrorism, racism, anti-Semitism and white supremacy.  I want to hear him say that he will do everything in his power to put down white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups.  I don’t care what Kellyanne Conway or Sarah Huckabee Sanders or some anonymous “White House spokesperson” has to say … I want it out of the horse’s mouth, and if the horse is too damn cowardly to speak out against the racists that put him into office, then I want an apology from him and I want him to admit that he is not capable of doing the job and step down.  Period.

Saturday’s events were horrific in and of themselves.  But they were compounded by a lack of law enforcement on the scene, and an almost uninterested response from the man who the white supremacists put into office last November. As I have said many times of late, I thought we were better than this.  Today, I realize that, while some of us ARE better than this, and it is unfair to judge all by the actions of a few … still, as a nation, the way we will be judged by other nations … we are not better than this.  Can we be someday?  I don’t know … that depends on the path the leadership and the people take.  I am encouraged by the voices, previously silent, that are speaking out against white supremacy, against hate.  But is it enough, when we do not have humanitarian and compassionate leadership?  I do not know.

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      • thank you colettebytes… the more people consider such things, no matter how far-fetched they seem…the better. Yes, Hitler was very well liked, and no amount of ridicule now will change that. History is what it is, and although it is easily “revised” there will always be those who will remember the truth.

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    • I’ve said the same more than a few times, but I hesitate to do so, for I try not to sound too much like a Richard Beltzer or Alex Jones! 🙂 I just don’t know what to think any more, but … something is off. I know Trump has no filter for his mouth, but … some of his comments today made me wonder how on earth he could say those things without fearing some repercussion. He’s gotten even more cocky, despite the fact that even some members of his own party are becoming critical of him. It smells wrong, somehow, but I cannot put my finger on it.

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      • well, the man is insane, and although the bigshots in Washington know it, they don’t want to say it. If he had a physical illness there would be some knowledge of it and a recognition that he is just not fit for the job. And it is getting worse…

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      • All this “trouble” didn’t just happen, it was carefully engineered. Once the ball starts rolling though, there is no stopping it. What’s scary is thinking that the guy from NK may be the adult in the room…. I get in a LOT of trouble saying stuff like that! My own daughter regularly walks out on me every time we talk about Trump.

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    • I don’t know. Mostly, I imagine, because conspiracy theories either sound so ridiculous that we cannot believe they could possibly be true, else they come from sources that are shady at best. For me, I typically subscribe to the Occam’s Razor theory … simplest solution, etc.

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      • Occam’s Razor would apply if we lived in a really authoritarian nation, where situations like this one would have been solved (alleviated, complicated) aka Banana Republic style…march in and remove the problem literally.

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      • ideas become conspiracy theories when there develops a need to ridicule or demonize … make a cartoon caricature out of an enemy…get people laughing at him or her. How many folks ridiculed the “Russian” thing…and now that is hopefully blowing up, but the damage is done, and unfortunately the Trumpkins don’t have a clue!

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    • My friend … I wish I could say we are all just having a really, really bad nightmare, but … I think this is the new alternate universe we are living in. I do not like it, and I fear for the future of our nation. 😥

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  1. Trump showed his true colors (pun intended) on this one. He employs and is supported by White Supremecists. He gave into pressure with his second statement to the press, but it was too late in my mind. Until Bannon is gone, along with the other white (trash) supremacists in his white house, he has no credibility on this issue.

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    • Word has it that Bannon may be on his way out. That still leaves Miller and Gorka. We really should monitor our child’s playmates a bit better, I think. Kelly is starting to put some order in place, but … first time he crosses da baby-prez, he’ll be gone. 😦

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        • I think he has crossed a line, and I only wish Congress were in session now! But even though they aren’t, some of them are speaking out and are obviously not so happy with their “fearless leader”. I think he dug another foot into his grave this week. Okay by me … but … BUT … I saw a while ago that Pence said he stands by Trump and everything he said, so …. where does THAT leave us? Sigh.

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          • Not in our form of government…the wheels turn so slowly it is very simple to confuse the thing…wag the dog…nothing new: that has been our policy always. There is another “issue” brewing in Venezuela. Hopefully Pence’s sabre rattling simmers out. Please don’t rush to a decision about what is going on there. The answer: OIL.

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  2. Where does one start?
    Firstly I’m guessing that in the general locality the local police where not used to the filth invasion and were overwhelmed and probably intimidated, which is a tragedy since two of their won number were killed, albeit in an accident.
    Secondly the outrage across the social media is beginning to show this collection of dregs and inadequates for what they are.
    Thirdly, and forgive me for saying this, I shouldn’t but ideally the message should whisper down the chains of command; ‘The next time they turn up guys…Give them hell’ (Then we’ll see how committed they are to their stupid slogans).
    Fourthly and I regret saying this because it sounds arrogant, but I do include myself, because I have ‘been there’ but en bloc People can be Stupid! Remember the mirror image from back in the 1960s/70s of anti-war protesters spitting (and worse) on guys who’d survived Vietnam?
    Trump is not placed there by some cabal, Trump is there because some folk were Angry, some folk were Stupid! and some were scared. And because the political class had become so arrogantly complacent. Toxic mix
    Not the first time in history. And the only cabal you’ll find are the ones of Greed, Fear and (say it again) STUPIDITY!!

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    • You hit the nail on the head with a single word: stupid. There is more than enough of that to go ’round these days. The police may have been overwhelmed, but … since the city officials knew ahead of time what groups would be attending, it seems that they might have been better prepared. The police were, no doubt, following orders, but … why were the orders to ‘stand down’?

      The white supremacist groups gauged last weekend to be a win for them, and it is said that they are now more energized than ever and looking to hold more rallies very soon, and even another in Charlottesville. Meanwhile, /the non-president keeps trying hard not to offend the vermin, while offending the heck out of the rest of us. And what will be the result of all this? I have no idea, but it won’t be pretty.

      I’m inclined to agree with you about why Trump got elected. His hateful rhetoric appealed to a certain class of people within the masses … a bunch of people who are so damn busy feeling sorry for themselves because they cannot afford a new car, or whatever, that they sold our nation downriver in hopes that an ugly, racist narcissist would solve all their problems and make them rich and happy. They forget that the words in the Constitution guarantee them the right to the “pursuit” of happiness … it does not guarantee them happiness. If they are too lazy to get off their collective patooties … sigh. Fell off the ol’ soapbox … 😦

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      • Good soapbox Jill! 👍👍👍!
        Thing is now, you might find a filth rally attracts more opposition than jerks they can gather.
        We’ve had that in the UK; these so called ‘tough lads’ having to be protected by the police from girls and angry pensioners.

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        • That may well be the case, for there is high feeling at the moment, and the majority of us are sick and tired of these jerks who think their rights supersede all others. I guess ‘wait and see’ is the order of the day, for I cannot even begin to predict the answer to the question “what next?” Or rather, I am afraid to voice what I predict. Not sure which it is. But, my mind bounce has settled, so I’m good for the moment. 🙂

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  3. What amazes me is that the Charlotte police had a warning way ahead about who was coming. In past times the National Guard has been sent in. They should have been at the ready. I didn’t hear them mentioned. As I remember that’s up to the President. What happened? We’re left to wonder about that. I think many have made a decision already. Also, the police said the hate groups didn’t follow the agreed-to plan. Surprise, surprise. —- Suzanne

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    • The Alabama National Guard WAS called in on Saturday. The Charlottesville police, were a limited regular-duty force with supplement forces called in. In my opinion the police force there was not sufficient to engage in heavy duty control activities…but except for a relative few in the limelight, most of the crowd consisted of people standing around the edges peacefully hanging-out. I know a limited amount about crowd-control, but I do know that it would be fool-hardy for a relatively thin police presence to take on a full-fledged mob…potentially… when the fighting was light and being staged by relatively few participants. For the police to start arresting or clubbing these people without adequate backing would be foolish and dangerous. Besides….they had to have been aware that the National Guard and other forces would be arriving shortly. In the footage of the “melee” as someone called it, there are a handful of skirmishes between the alt-rights and the alt-lefts: the guy tossing the newspaper box into a small group; some fist-fights; the white-haired or bald man lopping something…a stone? bottle? into the group; the sign propped up in the middle of the mostly-empty “arena” between the two sides. They all seemed to be dressed in their “military outfits” for the occasion.

      When it comes to the Press/Media and Crowd estimates, what ya see is often not what is really going on. I make something of a hobby out of observing these events and the way they are presented for our consumption. There was here no panning of the crowds from above, so the depths of the crowds aren’t clear.

      Trump is the biggest danger to America to come along…maybe ever. It is absolutely imperative that those of us who recognize and resist the danger presented by white supremists and the KKK pay attention to what is happening, and not fall into the traps all around in which we can unwittingly fall.

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      • Ah, it is good to have the perspective of someone on the ground (so as to speak). Yes, the media do like to make a smaller story look like a bigger one. They do that with flooded towns, picking the street with the deepest water level (next to the river) to get the most impact and sensationalise their report. The problem with media reporters is that they compete to get their work onto major news outlets and so the tendency to exaggerate is very strong. Still, the division of mindsets is clear enough! We expect this in third world countries, but not in America. You guys are supposed to be ‘the shining example’ of democracy as a success story. Instead you are showing the world your bitter hatreds and hard-line racism. It doesn’t bode well for your future. Totalitarian states do not work! Trumpest needs to be reminded of that!

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        • Thanks for commenting. Yes, the media is famous for exaggerating, especially the size of crowds. My favorite example: when the statue of Saddam Hussein was toppled, obstensibly by an angry opposition mob, it turns out when the cameras zoomed outward that the mob was about twenty men (likely soldiers) and a US tank pulling the statue down. Not detractors at all…a staged photo op. It always pays to examine the “crowd” photos by such as AP…see lots of “photo-shopping.”

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    • HAH! The prez was out on the golf course and couldn’t be bothered. I’m not sure, but I believe the governor also has the ability to call in the National Guard … but it may be that he has to get permission from the president … I’m not sure. It was a fiasco from the beginning. The white supremacist groups saw last weekend as a ‘success’, it is said, and it has energized them to plan more rallies soon and to kick it up a notch. There will be no peace in this nation for a while. 😦

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  4. I have, in my repertoire of movies that I enjoy, an old George Clooney film called ‘Brother Where Art Thou.’
    For anyone who knows this comedy film about the exploits of three escaped convicts in the deep South, who eventually find fame as ‘The Soggy Bottom Boys,’ they will also know that ‘White Supremacy’ rears its ugly head. In the plot, the KKK members are all exposed as the Mayor and upstanding citizens of a Southern rural town.
    Likewise, in HBO’s ‘Boardwalk Empire,’ a drama series based loosely on a real life ‘County Treasurer,’ Enoch (Nucky) Thompson, who engaged in corruption and controlled alcohol running gangs during prohibition, there is the addition of KKK as fine, upstanding members of society.

    While much of that is fictional stuff for entertainment, their is an unsettling truth behind it. Your enemy might just be running things around here!

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    • I sometimes tell Roger (Woebegonebuthopeful) that he is a walking encyclopedia, for there is not a single topic that the man doesn’t know something about. And now, I must say the same to you … you are a storehouse of knowledge on every topic imaginable!

      To your point, though … yes, I saw the Clooney movie a few decades ago, and while I don’t remember much, I do remember it being quite funny. Then. Now, I don’t think I would find it so humorous. And now … we already know, at least some of us do, that our enemies are running things around here … or at least they are trying to, but they are like chickens with their heads cut off, and they are running around in circles accomplishing nothing that benefits anybody. Be thankful you are on the other side of the pond, my friend.

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      • Indeed. The KKK were a figure of fun even a decade ago for all their white-sheeted shenanigans around the Grand Wizard. We (the general population) had no idea that they were still operating and on such sinister terms. Sad days indeed! 😧

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        • An unconfirmed (and apparently vehemently denied by Trumpest), report in The Independent sites the Boing, Boing, blog and the Daily mail (but there are other reports too) as sources for the fact that Trumpest’s father, Fred was arrested and charged with ‘failing to disperse’ at a volatile KKK rally in 1927. He would have been 22 years old at the time. Trumpest’s grandparents Friedrick and his wife Elizabeth were Bavarian born, so while Trumpster plays up his Scottish born ‘maid in service’ mother, his deeper roots go back to German families with a bit more clout. He looks like his Grandmother, Elizabeth Christ.

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          • And just in case you don’t see the connection here…both Grandparents were born in Bavaria…seat of the ‘Frankish Peoples’ who were heavily influenced by Arian philosophies and compared themselves to the Nordic people. There is no coincidence here that Trumpster wants to be seen as blond haired…I mean honestly, at his age, he should be grey and probably, given the huge comb forward, balding! You could laugh, but I think it sends a darker message.

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            • Ah, but I do believe his hair is ‘purchased’. 😀 😀 😀 But to your point, no surprise there … his history of discrimination dates way back to some of his first business ventures when he refused to rent apartments to blacks and discriminated against black employees.

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        • Actually, they had become almost a non-entity when I wrote a bit about them a year or so ago, and it is only in the past six months or so that they are beginning to come back into the spotlight. I wonder what the catalyst was? (sarcasm intended) 🙄

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  5. Dear Jill,
    That there were only 3 arrests made almost makes me think that somehow the police were complicit in the acts of White Supremacists by deliberately standing back. I can’t help but wonder if they would have done anything at all if law enforcement were not fully aware that the media were present in droves.
    There needs to be some follow up on this story.
    Hugs, Gronda

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  7. I’m sure it didn’t happen yesterday but after a week of thought I’d like every white pastor in every church to speak out against the racism of Saturday. To explain to his ‘flock’ just how insulting it is to the memory of so many soldiers left dead in Europe to have the Swastika carried on the streets of America. Those Pastors who refuse to do this will be those who encourage the spirit of white supremacy and should not be in the ministry.
    xxx Cwtch Mawr xxx

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    • Well, I’m not sure how widespread, but remember my mention a few posts back of my friend Bruce, a white, Christian minister, who finally realized that he had to speak out? Sometime today I will be posting more by him, and I am encouraged that he now seems to understand the difference his voice can make. I really DO think people are waking up. Is it enough? Only time can answer that question. In the words of a man I greatly respect, Dr. Martin Luther King, “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

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      • Perhaps I should have said the Pastors of Fundamentalist Churches for that’s what many of those places are in the South. For Fundamentalist Christians just like Fundamentalist Moslems. These are the people who try to make sure of the silence on things that matter. I’ve read about the one where the Pastor said children as young as 3 or 4 should be hit if they stand in a gay way. And one radio DJ who suggested gay girls should be raped straight, and a father who offered up his girl.( That’s real love- I don’t think ). I’ve heard of the church where they carry flags at the funerals of gay soldiers and shout abuse, why I’ve even heard of a VP who thinks gays should receive electro convulsive therapy to cure them, I wonder what church, which Pastor he’s been listening to.
        I also respect MLK but have none for those who opposed his words and actions.
        xxx Cwtch Mawr xxx

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        • People like clergymen (and women!), radio djs, anyone whose voice is heard by hundreds, thousands … have tremendous power. They can choose to use if for good or for evil. The examples you speak of are using their voices to sow seeds of evil. To beat your child if they stand a certain way??? To condemn a person for who they fall in love with??? Who gave Alex Jones, Mike Pence, or the bloomin’ idiots at Westboro Baptist Church the right to judge other people??? Those who have such power should feel a moral obligation, a humanitarian commitment to spread good will, not hate. Y’know … I go into overdrive at the thought of our 1st amendment rights being challenged, but even so, I think perhaps the time has come to add a few caveats to the 1st amendment. This level of hate speech has gotten far out of control and it needs to stop before we have another civil war! Sigh. There are more good people, I believe, in this nation than bad, but the bad are so much noisier that they seem to dominate the landscape.
          xxx Cwtch Mawr xxx

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  8. The Trumpet’s silence speaks very loud indeed. Normally he cannot stop twittering and does not care on whose toes he tramples, but suddenly he tries to choose his words “carefully”. Mmpff!!! … – And by the way: just reading the phrase “white supremacy” makes me sick … what kind of stupidity is that? Can we please stop using skin colour as a way of differing between people? I am tempted to paint my face blue and go out wearing a sign “blue supremacy”. It would not be a more ridiculous statement than the other one. – Why is there no movement for “kindness supremacy” or “respect supremacy”? … Ok, I will stop ranting now and go to bed (11 pm here in the Netherlands).

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    • OH my dearest Jeannie!!! You have made me laugh uproariously when I thought I hadn’t a laugh in me!!! Just the thought of you painting your face blue and wearing a “blue supremacy” sign … 😀 😀 😀 You will never know how much I needed that laugh at this very moment!!!

      But to your point … yes, it IS sickening … and heartbreaking. I do not, as I have said many times before, understand it. But I fear that it is growing and going out of control and … I think that if the leadership cannot or will not step up to the plate and actually punish those who commit violent acts in the name of racism, including police officers who shoot black people simply for the ‘crime’ of being black … if that does not happen, then I do not see good times ahead for this nation. I do not predict peace, but instead only more violence along the lines of what we saw last weekend.

      Thanks again for the laugh … and if you DO paint your face blue, you must send me a picture!!!

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  9. There always those who will polarize the masses. Promote hatreds for others whether by creed, nationality or colour. That’s what they do. Whether they are bitter and twisted inside, or just plain maliciously doing satan’s work? This man, Albert Pike is a prime example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike while he lived in the century before last. His destructive work, aiding the bankers can be found if one digs for it.
    https://albertpike.wordpress.com/albert-pike-lucifer/
    There is a lot of info, on the internet. Should we believe all that is written? I say NO. Yet if only half of what is written is true? We have much to fear from cabals and secret societies. Prudence is my watch word. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm
    Cheers Jamie

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    • Dearest Jamie … you provide much to think about, but here it is 3:00 a.m., I am hoping to get in bed within the next two hours, and all I can think about is Freemasons and conspiracy theories! Seriously … I probably believe about 10% of what I read until I have confirmed or disproved it. My take? We have enough on our hands to deal with that we can see, that it is not the time to worry about that which we cannot see. But then … I ask … is that which we cannot see driving that which we CAN see? And the answer is … I do not know. Question for you, since you are up on these things … what is your take on the Illuminati? My friend Herb is a believer in the Illuminati, and though he has failed to convince me, I do find myself sometimes wondering. I would like your opinion …

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      • I can sort of see where Jamie is coming from. Sometimes, I catch my self wondering if the conspiracy theorists are right. The illuminati (this group seems to go by several names, dependent on which conspiracy theory is postulated), have bloodlines that supposedly connect them as the true power mongers of society. They control banking, and corporations and they serve only their own kind (some say they are alien, others just the powerful royal blood lines of old). The rest of us are just fodder for their machinations.

        Sorry Jamie, I know you are the one asked here for your explanation on the Illuminati…and I’m sure you’ll have a much more encompassing explanation. This is just my take on this.

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      • The Chinese Master Lao Tse said, when asked. The easiest thing to give, is an opinion. So here goes.

        The unseen or hidden hand, drives that which is seen. So a “believer”? You mean like the tooth fairy? Honestly, I cannot make you believe anything. We can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink. That is up to the horse. If you have the thirst? You can drink whatever you wish. I believe much. Mostly that I have experience of. The illuminati? I cannot say, I am not privy to such things, nor wish to be. Yet the evidence is out there for those who wish to find out. Limited resources but they’re there. Whatever we know now about such secret groups, they have changed. Morphing into other areas of society. For they are secret and what’s the use of an open secret?https://archive.org/stream/BloodlinesOfTheIlluminatiByFritzSpringmeier/Bloodlines%20of%20the%20Illuminati%20-%20By%20Fritz%20Springmeier_djvu.txt
        Most Google searches will give among other things, the link above. Now over 20 years old.
        How does someone like Donald Trump, declare bankruptcy 4 times and still become POTUS? How do scandals involving Whitewater, use of a private server, Benghazi, allegations of drug running, among other things, etc? Not scuttle Hillary Clinton from the same vote? The corruptions are there, for all to see.

        Why does Washington DC, The Vatican and City of London all have the same immunities of law, from the rest of society?

        Lastly, Jill. What I believe, or my opinion, is of little consequence. It is what you believe and your opinions that count.

        Cheers Jamie

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        • Between your and Colette’s thoughtful and thought provoking comments, there is much to think about, and my time is limited today, so I will have to respond to you both more thoroughly a bit later. Thanks for your input!

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      • My dear Jill, you DO dig up the conspiracy theories. The Illuminati…. some consider it to be an old-wife’s tale or something, but the more one studies the subject the more convinced and intrigued they become. I read something when in seminar a decade or so ago about the Freemasons if I can find it I’ll send it to you, very enlightening.

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          • Jill, when you feel like delving, the BBC anthropology article (link below) is short, eye-opening and interesting. Though of course if you are conspiracy-theory minded you will know that the BBC is controlled by a rich and powerful global elite determined to run the world for… sorry, lost my thread there 😉
            The complex.com link is to a livelier and down-with-the-yoof-ish article which makes some really common sensical remarks, eg, about how supposed celeb illuminatis make the ‘secret’ sign in public all over the place. BTW I knew the first (I think he was) PR person for the Freemasons in the UK – aren’t you amazed they ever had one? Sigh.
            Get some rest this weekend – and look at the stars one night 🙂 preferably with a good friend, a glass of red wine – or a beer – and pizza to hand.
            http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170809-the-accidental-invention-of-the-illuminati-conspiracy
            http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/what-is-the-illuminati-conspiracy-and-who-are-its-members/

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            • Thank you, Mary! I have bookmarked both articles, for in truth I am curious, though with trying to prepare for my weekend jaunt, I probably will not have time to delve before next week. I will also share these links with Herb, for he believes in the Illuminati, though I’m not sure to what extent. Thanks, my friend!

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            • And yes, by the way, pizza and a glass of wine are definitely part of the weekend plans. A hike and camping under the stars was being considered, but with the heat and humidity in the forecast, we scrapped that idea. My asthma prefers air-conditioning under those circumstances. 😀

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          • Jamie has mentioned ‘Zionists’ in his Illuminati theories, and I want to make clear that Zionism is nothing to do with Judaism. It is, in fact, the antithetical practice of Zionism that undermines the true Jewish faith and twists history around. One of the many populist beliefs is that ‘Jews’ control banking and Media to manipulate the world, hence the racial hatreds. But this is a plot by Zionists who actually control the money and populist beliefs through media outlets. Judaism, and other world religions have nothing to do with it and they are a ‘punching bag’ for extremists who hide their true intentions and lay blame on the innocent. All wars are created in this manner. While I think some of the conspiracy theories give far too much credit to subversive forces that operate below societal radar, there is a grain of truth in them. No one would spend their entire life trying to uncover the deception, sacrificing reputation, family and any social standing to unearth such deceptions if they did not believe they were real. But the masters of deception ate clever, so they will plant the seed of ‘the ridiculous’ just to subvert these (often innocent) investigators, so that society will laugh at them. Let’s face it, we are fed most of our knowledge by others… Those on the opposite sides of a destructive argument, both think that they are right.
            I found an interesting article written on behalf of the Palestinian Infitadada that involves Zionistic manipulation at work through Steve Bannon. Might be worth a read…
            https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/zionist-white-supremacist-alliance-trumps-white-house

            We cannot really know where all this takes us, but remember, what you read, hear or see on TV media may not be truthful. Hence the three wise monkey principle of ‘Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil.’
            We are all caught up in the ‘Illusionists game.’ It is our subjective senses that are under assault so we must be as objective as possible to resist the ire that all this is intended to provoke. There are no sides, just the illusion created to make us destroy each other!😥

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            • Ah yes, which is why I am so careful to check sources and confirm facts before using them here. And even so, I sometimes get it wrong and have to backtrack. I do not watch television at all … gave it up around the middle of last year, when I was watching CNN first thing in the morning, and found myself kicking furniture before I even finished brushing my teeth! And I find sometimes the non-U.S. media are more accurate than the U.S. — possibly a bit of distance helps, like the old expression “can’t see the forest for the trees”.

              As re all the conspiracy theories, the attempts to convince the public of one thing or another … I rarely listen to them, and when I do it is as a skeptic. I haven’t heard one yet that I completely believe. I am a pragmatist … show me the evidence, the verifiable facts, otherwise it is just someone’s theory. Too many buy into whatever they are told, which is by Fox, Breitbart and Alex Jones are all so dangerous.

              Thanks for the link … I have bookmarked it, for it will probably be next week before I have time to delve into anything. I am diligently trying to prepare for my trip on Friday, while keeping up with everything else, so time is very limited at the moment.

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  10. Excellent article with pertinent questions. If we wait for Trump we will be waiting in vain. David Duke went on the record saying what Trump won’t admit. White supremacists put him in office. Trump would not have won the election without them. It is up to the rest of us to drown out and stamp out what I pray is a vocal minority. The silent majority can not remain silent any longer. We must lead ourselves.

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    • Thank you! Like you, I believe and hope that the haters are in the minority, but it seems that their numbers are increasing. What frightens me most is that I think these people were always there, their attitudes haven’t actually changed, but they suddenly, since the election of Trump who, throughout his campaign gave voice to racism, sexism and bigotry, they now feel empowered. Trump gave them a ‘green light’ to express their feelings, and even condoned the use of violence through his rhetoric. Trump’s power is frightening to many, and not just on our side of the ocean. But you are quite right … we must all speak up, speak out, and shine a bright light on the bigots. We can no longer afford to be the ‘silent majority’.

      Many thanks for reading and commenting! And welcome … I hope you will come back soon!

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