South Carolina Wants To Leave Home …

South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union in December 1860, and was one of the founding member states of the Confederacy in February 1861.  And now, they want to do it again.  According to an article in The Hill …

A group of Republican state legislators in South Carolina introduced a measure Thursday that would allow the state to secede from the United States if the federal government began to seize legally purchased firearms in the state.

The bill, which was referred to the state House Judiciary Committee on Thursday, would allow South Carolina lawmakers to debate whether to secede from the United States if the federal government were to violate the Second Amendment.

It states that “the general assembly shall convene to consider whether to secede from the United States based upon the federal government’s unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution if the federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this state.”

Now, since the major secession of the Civil War, a number of states have gotten their knickers in a wad and tried to run away from home, but in each case the idea either failed to gain momentum or was struck down in the courts.  In 2009, Texas Governor Rick Perry raised the issue of secession in disputed comments during a speech at a Tea Party protest saying “Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that … My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.”  I have no idea what he was talking about, but remember that it was Rick Perry, the current and unlikely Secretary of Energy, and last November’s Idiot of the Week award winner.

The State of Alaska tried it in 2006, but the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that secession was illegal and refused to permit an initiative to be presented to the people of Alaska for a vote.  (See Kohlhaas v. State of Alaska)

Mike Pitts

Back to South Carolina … the measure was put together by three republican (go figure) state representatives – Mike Pitts, Jonathon Hill and Ashley Trantham – in response to anti-gun violence advocates who, in the aftermath of the Parkland, Florida shooting in February, have stepped up demands for new gun control laws, calling for prohibitions on assault-style weapons and stronger background checks for gun buyers, among other measures.

Ralph Norman

If you doubt how seriously South Carolinians take their guns, consider this:  U.S. Representative from South Carolina, Ralph Norman, was holding a town hall style meeting with his constituents in a local restaurant last Friday, when, to the dismay of most in the audience, he pulled a loaded gun from his pocket and placed it on the table in front of him.  The idea, he later claimed, was to show that firearms are not dangerous.  He kept asking people if they felt safer, and many later said they did not feel safer and were very uncomfortable about it.  I would have gotten up and left.  One constituent said, “I was very angry. I felt like it was a move to intimidate.”

The likelihood that this bill to secede will go anywhere is near nil, but the idea that they would consider seceding from the union just to be able to own assault weapons should be lost on nobody.  In 1860, states began seceding because they wished to maintain their right to own other human beings.  Now, in 2018, at least one state is threatening to secede because they wish to maintain their right to own what I would call ‘weapons of mass destruction’, for assault weapons are made only for the purpose of mass killings.  There is a part of me that wants to send them on their way and wish them well, and then petition for a border wall, not on the U.S.-Mexican border, but around the state of South Carolina!

It is a sad statement when I tell you that, in all honesty, I am far less afraid of any Muslin or Mexican, anybody from any other country, than I am the citizens of my own country who are willing to go to any lengths for the right to own killing machines.  And it is a sad statement when, instead of working together to find compromises that are acceptable to all, that make our nation safer and better, we want to hurt others.  Whatever happened to putting human life above all else?  Whatever happened to reaching out to others and seeking to understand?  What ever happened to caring, to compassion?  And for that matter, where have gone intelligence and common sense?  Think about that one for a bit.

This t-shirt was seen at a recent rally in South Carolina.

23 thoughts on “South Carolina Wants To Leave Home …

  1. A person may be killed by all manner of ways and weapons.

    Guns are not the problem really. It is what is in a person’s heart. I know how to fire a gun. As too many other ways of hurting others.I have small wish to do so, however. I expect most feel thus? If the police are the only ones to have guns? You get a police state. Stands to reason? “Banking establishments are dangerous than standing armies”. ~ Thomas Jefferson

    The only time I used a gun in anger was after losing all my new pullets to a skunk. That is a major problem for farmers. You know? The people who put food on the table for those living in towns and cities. Predators can be four footed, as well as two.

    What is a problem. Is the hatred in people’s hearts. There is plenty of that. You may read some of them here, in the comments. People do not realize how close the world is coming to a war. Bombing by Israel and US. In Syria or Yemen demonstrates this. Hatred is all around. Do you really suppose banning guns will end the conflicts? I say, let SC succeed. For if your union is so weakened? It is not worth it. BTW Brexit is a fraud.

    Cheers Jamie


  2. Dear Jill,
    I would love to buy an island for these guys where they can go with all their guns and where they can shoot away to their hearts’ content. Until then, they will have to be part of a country which wants a safer environment for their kids which translates into enacting sensible gun control measures which will NOT meet the standards of these gun totting zealots.
    Hugs, Gronda

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    • I keep telling you that great minds think alike!!! I’ve been answering comments for the last hour or so, and have told at least three different readers that I wanted to send them all (the gun zealots, not the readers) to a deserted island somewhere in the Pacific with no phone, no internet, just lots and lots of sharks!!!

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  3. Jill, so called leaders who say stuff like this have not this through. OK, if you leave, what next? Are you going to protect yourself? How will you feel when the US pulls its troops out of Fort Jackson and closes Parris Island? How will you feel when people leave your state because they are Americans or just to find jobs that support the military bases. And, how many countries would relocate or not move there?

    When I hear comments like this my first thought is the toddler who throws a fit in the sandbox when others are not playing like he wants and then takes his sand toys and goes home. Keith

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    • You are quite right … I responded much the same to another reader who speculated whether this could be the beginning of the end of the U.S. They are simply a bunch of malcontents who want to have their cake and eat it too. Not only is there the security issue, but SC is not a wealthy state and relies heavily on federal funding. Do they have the money to patch those potholes on I-20 or I-85? Can they fund their education system without federal sources? Medicare? Food stamps? I think not. It is a spineless threat, but relevant because it proves the ignorance of those who would support it. Sigh.


  4. I honestly think that all the irrational alt-right gun lovers should be relocated to one southern state and then set adrift by the rest of the country which then adopts strict gun control laws. I am always reminded by stories like this that the extremists are a very noisy minority. Sigh.

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  5. I couldn’t agree more:
    “It is a sad statement when I tell you that, in all honesty, I am far less afraid of any Muslin or Mexican, anybody from any other country, than I am the citizens of my own country who are willing to go to any lengths for the right to own killing machines.”

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  6. It is a sign of the times every man wishes to be master of his own fate as long as he can collect the benefits of being a member of society , the same thing is happening all over the globe. Perhaps California may be next certainly they would have a better chance and the conflict with Mr Trump and globalism might be resolved , additionally they are a very rich state. Maybe you should consider an Evangelical state where those with that turn of mind can make their own way in the world , after all it happened in India when Pakistan was formed. You would have to quote a Bible Verse to cross the state line and any who dared to try and get an abortion in another state would be sentenced to a term of imprisonment. Hungary now have a strong right-wing government who is anti immigrant and at odds with the European Union l suspect they will soon be breaking away but of course it’s not easy for they get a lot of financial support.

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    • Yes, it’s rather a matter of wanting to ‘have their cake and eat it too’. It was that way even when the southern states left the union in the 1860s … they didn’t want to be held to the laws of the land, but still expected to be eligible for the benefits. You make me laugh with your idea for an evangelical state! I have threatened a few times to send them all off to some island in the Pacific! Hmmmm …. may be time to re-visit that thought. 😉


  7. It bears repeating, as Fred Flintstone used to say: ‘Ohh boy!’
    This reminds me of the teenage tantrums where they assert at great length about their independence, yadda-yadda-yadda and then proceed to demonstrate they cannot get anywhere, do anything basic without parental help.
    The idea of a piddly little piece of land trying to stand tall with a few handguns in this Big Bad World! Nice way to get colonised (or should that be co-lon-ised?) guys.
    Jeez-Louise have any of these folk ever had one thought about the Outside World?…Even a semi-intelligent one would do.

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