The Conversation — Part III (Conclusion)

This is the third and final part of my series about … anything and everything!  I’ve really enjoyed this, felt like I was actually chatting with Mary all the time.  I hope you guys feel free to chime in on any aspect or topic addressed here.  As with the first two, Mary’s comment is in normal text, my responses are in blue.

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And none of this mentions the third world countries and the horrible living conditions and poverty and starvation that are in their daily lives. And we think this will change?

No, sadly the situation in the third world countries is likely, with the effects of climate change, to become far worse in the coming years.  It would take the cooperation of all the industrialized nations and their willingness to work together to help those in poor nations, to make a concerted effort to combat the loss of arable land, to help find solutions to provide potable drinking water, and to help them become economically stable, not to mention providing a wide array of health services.  All of which is a pipe dream, when the industrialized nations cannot even agree on the simplest of concepts.

Some may say I’m pessimistic, but I feel I’m realistic. Maybe it’s just the way of Mother Nature. We are the destroyers and the only ones who can bring about a possible eventual return of a healed planet, when we are gone and nature can flourish once again in peace.

Until recently, at least a few of my friends said I got on their nerves with my optimism.  But that optimism has faded with the things I have seen from the human race in the past few years.  Like you, I consider myself neither an optimist nor a pessimist, but rather, a pragmatist, a realist.  The reality is that the human race is not living up to its potential, and in the process of destroying the planet, we are also destroying ourselves.  There is still time for us to start listening, learning and trying to change, and there are signs that some are, but unfortunately not enough.  I liked a comment Robert Vella made on Part I of this series … that we have to find a way to make Joe Blow feel like he is part of the solution.  When we figure out how to do that, then perhaps there will be hope.

And although the environment is of the utmost peril to fix if at all possible, something must be done to change people’s minds about the validity of science and the scourge of racism.  Education, to me is key. The two things that work against it are far right religion and racism pure and simple.

You are spot on!  Education is the answer to both of these things … making people realize that science is not a hoax, and that all people are equal, regardless of skin colour, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identification, height, eye colour, language, culture, etc., etc., etc.  And education begins where?  In the home.  We can blame the Department of Education for a lot, rightfully, and we can blame the colleges for not stepping up to the plate, but we, as parents and grandparents, have the most influence over our children in their early, formative years.  Racism breeds racism, bigotry is carried from one generation to the next.  The question, then, becomes … how do we break that cycle?

Future generations could maybe slowly reverse this environmental damage through scientific research and new technologies, but not if science is not taught and respected.

I think that if we wait for ‘future generations’, based on what I have read of the IPCC and NCA reports on climate change, it will be too late.  We have to convince governments and industries that if we don’t act now, the human race won’t survive, and it won’t make a damn bit of difference how much money they had or how large their investment portfolio, how many rooms in their mansion, or how many trips to the Riviera they took.  In truth, I suspect that those who claim to deny a belief in the science behind climate change know that they are being obtuse, know that the science is real, but are just too stubborn to act, for it might require sacrifice on their part.  And some of the extremely religious, I imagine, believe that their god will not allow anything bad to happen.  Blind faith, they call it.

Wars will continue as long as politicians and big business makes money off of them.

Agreed.  Many profit greatly from wars, especially arms manufacturers.  Others lose their lives, their sons, their husbands …

Racism and bigotry in the US will continue as long as religion castigates other non Christian beliefs and lifestyle choices.

Bigotry in all its forms will continue as long as people believe, whether because of religion or society, that they are somehow superior to others based on some irrelevant criteria.  We keep fighting the same battles over and over, thinking that we’ve finally learned something, and then, a generation or two later, we fight the same battles again.  It’s the fatal flaw of the human race.

And thus concludes this three-part series.  I hope you found it interesting, found some food for thought, and maybe even shared your own opinion on some of these topics.  Special thanks to maryplumbago for sharing her thoughts, and for agreeing to participate in The Conversation.

Links to Part I and Part II, in case you missed them:  The Conversation — Part IThe Conversation — Part II

18 thoughts on “The Conversation — Part III (Conclusion)

  1. Hear, hear, to everyone. There is a lot going on out there and the more we share knowledge, the more solutions will come. Thank you Mary and Jill for conducting a thought provoking look at how we got to this place and where we should go from here. 💕

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    • It was fun, and I was pleased by the responses! This is the sort of civil discourse I would like to see all of us engage in more … sharing thoughts and ideas, learning from each other. Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for joining in!

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  2. This has been a most interesting and thought provoking ‘Conversation’ in all 3 parts, including all of the comments and your comments on them too. It brought to mind some words by Jodi Picoult, that I read in her author’s note of the book, A Spark of Light : “We may not see eye to eye, but we can respect each other’s opinion and find truth in them.” The book is about a specific subject and thus the note pertained to that in particular, but I found the words also contained some truth. Thank-you Jill and everyone!!

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    • It is the art of civil discourse that has fallen by the wayside of late, the ability to carry on a conversation about contentious topics even when we don’t agree. I love it when people engage, and do so without anger, name-calling and rabidity. This was a good exercise for us all, I think.

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  3. Thanks, Jill. I really enjoyed your comments and all the others as well. It’s nice to know this whole group here is on the same page. I’m sure we’ll be revisiting this again as the months go by heading towards 2020 and the even further future. Hopefully the tide will turn…time will tell. You did a great job. Thanks.

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    • Thank YOU, Mary, for it was your comment that started this ball rolling. There has been some really interesting discussion, and while I haven’t been able to participate in comments as much as I like to do, it is great to see the discourse, the opinions! Yes, we have a great bunch here, all humanitarians who believe that people are people, no matter their skin colour, sexual orientation or religion, and that people come before profit. We just all keep fighting with whatever tools we have to try to convince the rest of the nation.

      Thanks again, my friend! I’d like to do this again someday!

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  4. Jill, I took pride in seeing the Australian kids age 5 to 18 leaving school in protest about insufficient action on dealing with climate change. Both their President and chief environment Advisor noted the children should have stayed in school to learn something. I would argue they have a better grasp and vested interest than the two government leaders on climate change. Maybe the two of them should go to school and take our President with them. Ours needs to educate his smart “gut.” Keith

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    • I had not heard about that, but I give those kids a two-thumbs-up!!! It is reminiscent of our Parkland survivors who finally said, “Enough!!!” Fortunately, our futures are in the hands of these young people, for our generation surely isn’t doing a great job!


  5. Hi , Jill.
    I hope this has given you an opportunity to rest your emotions a bit, and recharge your batteries. Thanks, Mary, for your original comment. It gave everyone something to think about, again if not for the first time.

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    • I’m really glad you enjoyed it. Yes, although the U.S. is in crisis-mode at present, the UK has its share of troubles right now with Brexit, and the rest of Europe is contending with the populist movement, so we are not alone in our troubles by any means. I generally have respect for Ms. May, for I feel that she is doing the best she can, having been dealt a difficult hand. I have friends on both sides of the Brexit issue, so I try not to opine, but I empathize with what you guys are going through. I am saddened by Angela Merkel stepping down, and disappointed by Macron since his election. That said, I was pleased that Hofer and LePen were defeated … it shows that some on your side of the pond DO have a bit of sense, yes?

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  6. Just a few quick comments on this last section of your response. I’m trying to be brief to avoid going down that rabbit hole where I tend to get lost now and then; it’s all “googleable” though.
    I believe it was the CEO of Nestle that said that water is not a right. Water belongs to those that own the land. My interpretation of the essence of the article in addressing the global issue of clean water: “oh well, shucks for you if you don’t have land with clean water, you’ll just have to pay or die.” I’ve stopped buying Nestle products, no easy task and not pleased that Starbucks has partnered with Nestle in some departments.
    I agree education is the key to get the Joes and Janes of this world to wake up and react. Unfortunately, our educational system is going the way of voluntary segregation. I don’t mean people whose children need homeschooling to flourish. “School choice,” charter schools and homeschooling with curriculums sold by major religious organizations and conservative extremists are adding to the isolation and ignorance. As we have discussed before on this page, “religion is the opiate of the people.” Lord help us if conservatives extremists win the fight to use vouchers for religious education or elite private schools. There are people who would prefer to homeschool their kids so that they can teach them the world is flat and Africans were immigrants just like everyone else except they traveled in shackles. Others don’t want mixed children running around the country. Not to mention that public schools allow children to use bathrooms that don’t match their birth gender.
    I once enrolled my daughters in a new “Christain” school that was started by a woman I knew in the community where we lived. She was a respected educator that happened to be a pastor’s wife. To make a long story short, one day my daughter who was in the fourth grade, brought material to my attention that was inaccurate. I addressed it with the school and just got a bunch of Bible babble to explain the content. Back to public school they went the following year. Imagine children who haven’t been exposed to anything else their entire lives.
    There are rational people of faith. I believe it can be a ministry, a calling onto itself to get these extremists out of the dark and out of the hands of power hungry leaders. There are already many brave souls fighting the system of religious extremes in this country.
    Oh yeah, and DJT said there is no need to put money into the environment. Space exploration will solve the problem – a new Earth maybe? For whom?
    Thanks for letting me participate.

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    • Say WHAT??? Water is not a right??? It only belongs to the landowners??? AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH! Where can I find this Mr. CEO of Nestle’s, for I have a few things to tell this S.O.B.!!!

      You are quite correct that the education system in the U.S. is declining and has been for quite some time. My daughter and I homeschooled my granddaughter, famously known on this blog as Miss Goose, in the beginning because she has Tourette’s Syndrome and school proved too much for her. Then later, we realized that she was getting a much better education from us than she would have from the local schools, for she was far more knowledgeable than the children of our friends and neighbors. Sadly, the downside is the lack of socialization skills, but she has an extensive and broad education and is more politically astute than most people 3 times her age.

      Trump is a fool, an idiot, and an ignoramus if he seriously believes that humans will be able to live on a different planet and so we should just leave this one to fall into disrepair. His attitude doesn’t even merit consideration. Somebody, please, get id of this jerkface!

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      • This includes a “clarification” he wrote years later. He is now former CEO, Peter Brabeck-Lamothe. I was trying to post the link from Snopes but for some reason my clipboard is stuck with another article sorry.

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