Some Republicans Leaving The Trumptanic

Donald Trump is a frustrated ‘man’.  He thinks he should have won a Nobel Peace Prize, mainly because he is jealous that President Obama won one in 2009.  Only four U.S. presidents have ever won the Nobel Peace Prize, and Trump is about as far away from one as anybody I can imagine.

And then, there is the fact that his ugly mug will never be carved into the side of Mount Rushmore in South Dakota, though he has long said he would like to see that happen.  He has illusions of grandeur that are just that … illusions.

And, of course, there is the fact that his poll numbers are tanking and the only way he’s going to win in November is “by hook or by crook”.  Even life-long republicans are stepping back from Trump.  The New York Times recently interviewed some republicans in swing states who enthusiastically voted for Trump in 2016 but either aren’t sure if they will this November or else are sure they won’t vote for Trump again.

Take, for example, Judith Goines of Fayetteville, North Carolina …

“I think if he weren’t such an appalling human being, he would make a great president, because I think what this country needs is somebody who isn’t a politician. But obviously with the coronavirus and the social unrest we’re dealing with, that’s where you need a politician, somebody with a little bit more couth. I’m ashamed to say that I’ve voted for him.”

Or Robert Kaplan of Racine, Wisconsin …

“He said he was going to, quote unquote, drain the swamp, and all he’s done is splashed around and rolled around in it.”

It appears that about 14% of those who voted for Trump in 2016 are less certain this time around.  6% say they don’t support Trump but say there’s “some chance” of voting for him again.  Some 2% claim not to support Trump, and don’t know if they will vote for him again.  Then there is the 6% who say there is “not really any chance” of supporting Trump.  The number of defectors is small, yes, and he still has a rabid base who will vote for him no matter what, but it is encouraging to see that some of those who voted for him last time are not so sure this time.

Many of those interviewed said they initially voted for him because he was a businessman, not a politician, and specifically because he was not Hillary Clinton.  But they largely say they have soured on his handling of the presidency. Several mentioned his divisive style and his firing of officials who disagreed with him, and especially his response to the coronavirus and to the unrest in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd in police custody.

The majority of them are not yet willing to commit to backing Joe Biden … that would be a stretch … but would likely just stay home on election day.  Take John Crilly, of Reeders, Pennsylvania, who voted not so much for Trump as against Clinton …

“What changed my mind? 120,000 deaths. He refused to realize, ‘Oh my god, there’s a virus coming our way; shouldn’t we do something, guys?’ Covid was the turning point. It’s the thing that touches home with everybody.”

Crilly says he cannot bring himself to vote for Biden, largely because of his age, but will write-in a local candidate’s name.  Then there’s Ariel Oakley of Grand Rapids, Michigan, who says she will vote for Joe Biden …

“With coronavirus, even just watching the press conferences, having him come out and say it’s all fake. I have family who have unfortunately passed away from it.”

Trump’s blatant racism in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder by police has cost him votes, as well.  Kelvin Pittman II of Jacksonville, Florida, is an African-American who voted for Trump in 2016, because “he was a great businessman.”  Pittman himself owns a small business and thought Trump would be the best option.  But now, in light of Trump’s response to Black Lives Matter protests and calling the movement a “symbol of hate” …

“It was kind of the last straw. It was like, this dude is just in it for himself. I thought he was supposed to be for the people.”

And others say it’s his personality that has turned them off.  I find this one confusing because his personality showed through loud and clear throughout his campaign in 2015-2016 … could they not see then that he was a bully when he told campaign workers to “beat up” protestors, and called his opponent at least 100 different ugly names?

The aforementioned Robert Kaplan, who voted for Trump mainly because he wanted ACA (Obamacare) abolished, says he was disappointed from the start …

“He’s an embarrassment. He’s like a little kid with a temper tantrum when he doesn’t get things to go his way. He’s very punitive — if you disagree, he fires you. He disrespects very good people in Washington trying to do some good. And I think it’s very disrespectful of the office to be tweeting all the time.”

The article in the Times is worth the read and has a number of polling charts showing what people like the least about Trump.  In all, I predict with 90% certainty that Trump will, once again, lose the popular vote.  However, my bigger concern at this point is the bag of tricks the GOP is using and will use to attempt an electoral win, but that is a topic for another day.  I’m just encouraged at the moment to see that some who voted for Trump last time have finally “seen the light”.

42 thoughts on “Some Republicans Leaving The Trumptanic

  1. I won’t believe any polls until the last vote is counted. Look, I understand Biden isn’t everybody’s cup of tea. I would have preferred not-an-old-white-male which has been the default setting for hundred of years.

    But I can get behind a not-an-overt racist, not a fascist, not a Trump option. Joe Biden May have flaws, but not nearly enough to keep me from voting in the next election.

    I’d vote for a toadstool if it meant a change in the White House. That could be a slogan: Toads in 2020–anything has got to be an improvement.

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    • I don’t believe any single poll, for they all have their biases, but I look at an aggregate of polls, and mostly pay attention to the trend … up or down.

      Joe Biden is not the perfect candidate, but then … we don’t have one on the horizon. Joe is a good man who cares about people and wants to do the right thing. Quite the opposite of what we have now. The challenge this year is to get people to the polls! In 2016, the “unlikeability” of Hillary kept people from voting, else drove them to throw away their vote by voting for a third party candidate with zero chance of winning. Only 57% of eligible voters voted in 2016! We cannot let that happen again this year! The entire future of this nation, I truly believe, rests on getting Trump out of office and either Joe Biden or a toadstool in office. We need someone who will try to begin uniting this troubled nation, rather than further dividing it.

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  2. “and specifically because he was not Hillary Clinton”
    Spot of Jill!
    Add to that ‘because one of ‘those’ people got into the Whitehouse’ and you have the only damn true reasons why Trump is there now.
    This stock villan character out of a 1930/50s screwball movie, only trouble is there are no hero and heroine along with wacky side-kick being cheered on by the audience towards the happy ending you know must be coming.

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    • Thanks, Roger! Yes, I’ve long said that Trump and the populist movement in this country was very much a pushback against having had an African-American president for not one, but two terms. The other reason, of course, being immigration. Both in 2016 and this year, he has instilled an imaginary fear of immigrants that his base fully believe. Snidely Whiplash, or Dastardly Dan, indeed. Now we just need Dudley Do-Right, eh? I hope Biden can pull off the image, or else pull a rabbit from his hat on November 3rd.

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  4. I tell you it’s laughable when adults say they voted for someone because he ain’t a politician when the post itself is political. It’s liking saying I went to a guy who is not a doctor to treat an ailment because he ain’t a doc.

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    • I fully agree. I understand wanting some new blood, toss out those who have been there since the beginning of time. But, the position requires some knowledge of how government operates, which Trump sorely lacked and still does. Sigh.

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  5. Jill, good post. My next post will relate to this one, so I may link yours to it. A couple of misconceptions about Trump over what we usually talk about (lying, corruption, bullying, chaos and incompetence) need to be highlighted:
    – Trump is very political, so saying he is not a politician is a misnomer;
    – Trump’s business acumen has disappointed; he is a terrible manager, he fails to recognize the importance of planning and execution, he does not take the time to vet issues and candidates and he has a transactional view on relationships built over time.

    I thought I would add these concerns. Keith

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    • Thanks, Keith, and thanks for linking to mine! Great minds think alike, as they say 😉

      Your points are well taken … I am always amazed when I hear somebody refer to him as a “successful businessman”. Successful only because a) he started with a lot of money given to him by his daddy, and b) he ripped off anybody he could, and if he couldn’t rip them off, he sued them. He is not an honest man, and certainly not one I would trust to run my business (if I had one). Thanks again!

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  6. There’s another piece running around (in Vanity Fair, I think) that the GOP are giving Trump until September to turn things around, then they’ll abandon him. To which, I’m thinking: 1) Turn WHAT around? He’s been on the same path for nearly 4 years! 2) What exactly does abandoning Trump mean to them? That they’ll start speaking out against him? Uh huh, sure. 3) And finally, do they really think that if, (big if), they actually abandon Trump, that any of the rest of us will forgive them? I don’t think so.

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    • I heard that earlier today. But, I’ve just finished reading a transcript of his speech this evening at Mt. Rushmore and … it is the most hate-filled, divisive speech I’ve ever heard. But you know and I know that his base will be energized by it, just as they were by his hateful Xenophobia during the 2016 campaign. It may, in fact, “turn things around” and bring his poll numbers back up. Sigh. I suspect he will retain most of his 36% – 40% base. It’s not enough to win him the popular vote, but with the number of gerrymandered districts, it might well earn him the electoral. I’d be willing to forgive (though not necessarily forget) any who have finally realized what an evil monster he is and turn away from him. But, any who vote for him this year … are no longer even acquaintences, let alone friends.

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  7. The GOP spent 20 years smearing Hilary Clinton. BENGHAZI BENGHAZI. It worked. People said to themselves, “Well, there must be SOMETHING there.” So, in my opinion, the 2016 vote was partly about racism and xenophobia and partly about hate for Clinton. Clinton is gone and the hate machine , while they are trying, cannot gin up hate against Biden. He comes across as just too decent. What a contrast with the mentally ill guy in the White House. So, all they have left are the racists and xenophobes. Now, there are A LOT of them, but they are not the majority. Unless the GOP shit machine can manufacture some good stuff about Biden they are in a rut. But don’t count them out. There is always voter suppression.

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    • You’re right, in part. 2016 was a number of things. People who resented that a black man had been president for 8 years. People who were determined that a woman cannot be president. Hillary’s persona. And the lies told about Hillary regarding both Benghazi, her husband, and her email server.

      But today, instead of any form of leadership, we have a madman at the helm. We have completely lost the respect of our allies. We are banned from most countries because of our bungling of the pandemic. This has become one of those “shithole” countries that Trump spoke of. Yes, between gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement in its many forms, although I think Trump cannot win the popular vote, just as he lost it in 2016, he could well win the electoral. If he does, I will seek political asylum in either Canada or the UK. I’m done.

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  8. He actually thinks he should be carved on Mount Rushmore?! Good lord.

    While Joe Biden wasn’t my top pick, the Democrats could run a broomstick this time and I’d vote for it. Haven’t seen as many of my Trump friends filling my feed with their devotion lately.

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    • Yep … worse, he actually believes it WILL happen!!! You’re right about the broomstick … I’ve long said I would vote for Attila the Hun before I’d vote for Trump. But … unfortunately, his 40% base will not waver, for the most part. And his little hate speech at Mt. Rushmore tonight will further incentivize the masses.

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  9. I’m happy to hear the some conservatives are finally waking up! I think this will translate into votes for Biden, or the very least not for Trump.I’m certain that Biden will win in a landslide victory…. barring any more gaffes.
    Democratic leadership is doing the right thing, hole him up and keep him quiet till election day, no more news interviews or talk show appearances, no cringe worthy podcasts or tv ads. Biden will do just fine outta sight outta mind! Trump is so out!! 🙂

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  10. I strongly suspect that even should some GOP voters become enlightened, it will still be insufficient to make enough of them vote for a Democrat…any Democrat, no matter who it is on the ballot. In the event that your 90% certainty becomes a reality and trump joins the ranks of former Presidents, there is only one thing that is a certainty…the President’s Club will not welcome him with open arms! There is an interesting Opinion column in Newsweek this morning (July 3, 2020 at 6 AM) by Timothy E. Wirth, a former U.S. senator from Colorado, and Tom Rogers, an editor-at-large for Newsweek : “How Trump Could Lose The Election And Still Remain President.” This is indeed a frightening scenario but also in trump’s world, a possibility. Thank-you!

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    • Now, my 90% certainty only covers the popular vote … when it comes to the electoral college, gerrymandering plays a heavy role and all bets are off, unless Biden can manage a landslide. Which is doubtful, given that the democrats seem to be more into hand-wringing than they are actually taking the initiative to get people out to the polls. I found the Newsweek OpEd you mentioned and will read it in just a few. Thanks!

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  11. Ah do believe, I say I say I do believe that the water they imbibing in the South and that mist before they eyes must be clearing and they changing they affinity from that lying, mealy mouthed stinking Northerner who made all the promises and kept none.This time we’ll see what promises the Northerner keeps.It better be to save the ACA.
    Cwtch

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  12. Seeing the light is not enough. Seeing ALL THE LIGHTS is what people need to do. This thing over here is okay, but that thing over there is unforgivable. The one thing no one mentioned above, is the Senate refusing to pass anything Congress has passed. This is not government, this is idiocy, personal vendetta, whatever description you care to use. How much are these elected officials being paid TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? If that isn’t enough all by itself, factoring everything else in should make all voters stop and think, why are we even paying them!

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    • I agree, but this is a start … it’s far more than we’ve had until just the last few weeks, and remember … Rome wasn’t built in a day! Congress is dead in the water for that very reason … that the Senate will block any legislation that comes out of the House. No, it’s not right, it’s a violation of their oaths to protect the nation and its people, but until November 3rd, there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.

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