The UN-Debate

It was the first debate I have watched from start to finish in many years.  I felt I had to, so I did.  That was one-and-a-half hours of my life that I can never get back.  By the end, I felt shaky and nauseous, but more than anything I felt disgusted by some 40% of this nation who could actually watch that clown and still think he should be chosen to run this country.

Moderator Chris Wallace, to his credit, attempted to shut Donald Trump’s mouth more than a few times, but it proved to be impossible.  Donald Trump interrupted not only his challenger, Joe Biden, but also Chris Wallace just about every time one of them attempted to speak. So wrapped up in himself was Trump that I actually got the feeling Joe Biden and Chris Wallace could have left and Trump would have continued his blah-blah-blah-ing.  He reminded me of a battery-operated toy on steroids, only not nearly as cute as the Energizer Bunny.

If the other two debates actually happen, I think provisions should be made to enable the moderator to simply switch off Trump’s microphone when it isn’t his turn to speak.  Conversely, they could hire large men with rolls of duct tape to place across his mouth every time he opens it.  Frankly, I don’t see anything to be gained by having any additional debates, for nothing … NOTHING was accomplished with this one.  It was not a debate, but a show … a show put on by Trump for the benefit of his rabid base who, no doubt, thought he did great.

I will spare you a blow-by-blow reporting of the debate, but if you’d like a written transcript, you can find one here  .  I will, however, give you a few of the more … salient moments.

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Well, okay then … I guess there were no ‘salient’ moments.  There were a couple of good lines, though, the best one being at the 18:18 mark when, after yet another of Trump’s juvenile repeated interruptions, Joe Biden said, “Will you shut up, man?”  The moment immediately lit up my Twitter feed and continues to be the source of humour and kudos today.  As several have noted, he voiced what we were all saying here at home!shut-up

Toward the end of the debate, Trump did what he had been saying he planned to do, attacking Joe Biden’s son.  Personally, I think that no man with a shred of human decency would attack another man’s family for political gain.  Period.  But, we’re talking about Trump, so it was not unexpected.  But, in my view it backfired on Trump, ‘bigly’.  Here was Biden’s very heartfelt response …

“And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Brown Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a Patriot and the people left behind there were heroes.”

And a minute later, when Trump kept rambling …

“My son like a lot of people at home had a drug problem. He’s overtaking it. He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it. And I’m proud of him, I’m proud of my son.”

The Hunter Biden conspiracy theory, for the record, has been investigated and debunked enough times that it should have been put to bed years ago, but Trump seems not to have gotten that memo.

The best part of the entire debate was at the end when Joe Biden looked straight into the camera, looked us right in the eye and said …

“Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If you’re able to vote early in your state, vote early. If you’re able to vote in person, vote in person. Vote whatever way is the best way for you, because you will… He cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. And in terms of whether or not… When the votes are counted and they’re all counted, that will be accepted. If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that’ll be accepted.”

As a tool for learning more about the candidates and their platforms, the debate was worthless … a waste of time.  As a means of learning something about the candidates’ personalities … it only reinforced what we already knew:  Donald J. Trump is a rude & crude asshole and Joe Biden is a man of conscience, intellect, and compassion.  I have no doubt that if the other two debates, scheduled for October 15th and October 22nd proceed as planned, they will also be naught but a circus act for the benefit of energizing Trump’s base.  Personally, I will not waste my time watching another, though I may consider watching the vice-presidential debate between Mike Pence and Kamala Harris next week.

40 thoughts on “The UN-Debate

  1. The debate has been quite a feature here, because the election is so important to us all. Commentators made the point that there was little time spent on policies by either candidates, which, given all the major problems confronting the States is appalling.
    BTW, at the same time, a live debate was happening in New Zealand, with Jacinda Adern and the female Leader of the Opposition, whose name I don’t know. The snippets I saw showed a robust, but respectful debate. Maybe whoever said that men are too emotional for politics was right!!

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    • We used to be able to have respectful, meaningful debates about the candidates’ stance on the issues, but that was before Trump who seems to believe it is his duty to be as obnoxious, loud, and bullying as possible, while saying nothing that is true or helpful. Sigh. I especially love your last sentence!!! And they said women were too emotional!!! Keep safe, Anne!

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  2. great summary, Jill. Although I kind of wish that Joe had not stooped to Trump’s level and resorted to name calling. I’m just impressed that neither Biden or Wallace dropped the f-bomb – they had to be thinking it!

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  3. Thank you for sharing!… I did not watch the debate…. I have observed Donald Trump for near 4 years and add to that his past, one night of watching/listening to him are not going to change the results… and I had a idea of what would happen as it would give Trump the opportunity to have a world wide audience and him center stage to play his role and fuel his ego… and they can make all the rules, laws, etc they wish but the only rules Donald Trump is going to follow is his… 🙂

    Until we meet again….

    May love and laughter light your days,
    and warm your heart and home.
    May good and faithful friends be yours,
    wherever you may roam.
    May peace and plenty bless your world
    with joy that long endures.
    May all life’s passing seasons
    bring the best to you and yours!
    (Irish Saying)

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    • Thank YOU, Dutch! I won’t likely be watching any more, if indeed there are any more. Nothing was gained except to reinforce the notion that Trump is a bully, loudmouth, and crass. Take care, my friend!

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  4. Great summary! I really did like how Joe spoke straight to us about the voting! That showed that even amidst having to put up with Trump’s attacks he hadn’t forgotten who he was really speaking too! The American people!

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    • Thanks Carolyn! Yes, I think Joe made his best points when he spoke directly to us instead of batting back-and-forth with Trump. Maybe next time they could put them in separate rooms so we could hear what Joe Biden is saying without the juvenile remarks by Trump!

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  5. I watched the entire 90 minutes with The New York Times in the same manner as I did the Democratic National Convention. The ongoing commentary on the right hand side of my computer screen by the long list of various correspondents all across the country was both entertaining and enlightening. They also provided a fact check on statements by both Biden and trump throughout the debate which was helpful. Joe Biden spoke directly and sincerely to the American public. Trump mostly looked at Biden during the vicious attempts to distract and derail Biden’s focus. Otherwise, trump was talking to his base. When near the end of the debate Biden looked into the camera and said “Under this president we have become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided and more violent.”, he spoke the unmitigated truth. I do not regret the time watching this excuse for a debate…I saw and heard Joe Biden soundly disprove trump’s assertions about the mental state of the former VP! My eldest Daughter said something similar to what you suggested about turning off the microphone when it is not trump’s two minutes of uninterrupted time (that was a joke). The problem that I see with that solution is that those observing the debate would not know what was being said to Biden and why he responds as he must after being forced to do so. Should there be more I most likely will endure another debate, or as NYT’s David Sanger put it “brawl”, in silent support of Joe Biden for President! Thank-you!

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    • You make a valid point about giving the moderator the ability to turn off either candidate’s microphone … I hadn’t thought of that, but you’re right. I still think my idea of duct tape across his mouth is the best one … they could rip it off when it’s his turn to speak, then replace it when it isn’t! I can’t say for sure just yet, but I don’t think I will watch any future debates where Trump is on stage, for he basically turned it into a platform to reach out to his base, in other words, one of his rallies, and I haven’t the stomach to watch that. You are a braver woman than I!!!

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  6. You’re right that Trump just turns these things into a three ringed circus for himself and doesn’t really debate anything. I thought they’d have found a way to shut off his microphone after his debates for the 2016 election. Trump crossed the line with his attack on Biden’s family but Joe showed great dignity, great courage and showed the great love and support he bears his family.
    You know I had great reservations about Joe Biden from the start but he’s gone a long way to showing me how wrong I was and I’m happy to admit it. I hope the authorities are ready to come down hard on any Nazi and KKK activity that threatens violence.
    Cwtch

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    • I’m glad you’re starting to see the good things about Joe Biden. Is he perfect? No, but then who is? We all have flaws, things in our past, but like Hillary in 2016, Joe has solid experience, understands the Constitution, and is an intelligent and decent human being. None of which can be said about DJT.
      Cwtch

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    • It’s hard to say … so far today the news is that some republicans are backing off, telling Trump he may have gone too far, but he definitely did get the attention of the white supremacists. As if we didn’t have enough of a problem with racism and violence today already??? Sigh. I’m trying hard to motivate people, to help them understand that even if Biden isn’t their ideal candidate, they MUST vote for him to get this madman out of the White House, else we will be not much different from 1933 Germany.

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    • You are quite right … I did miss that part, for I am nearly deaf and the captioning is always a bit behind, and with more than one person talking at a time it’s hard for me to catch everything. I’ve made up for it with my post this morning, I hope.

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    • You’re a wise man! I felt that it was something I should do, so I did. I doubt I’ll watch another, though, for it really was simply a platform for Trump to rally his base … a base who apparently love bullying, lying, cheating and general nastiness.

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  7. Jill, I am sorry you wasted your time. I did not watch because I hate being lied to, but from what you and others have shared, the incumbent went beyond the pale. Apparently, it was so bad, the folks on Fox and Friends were coaching Trump this morning. They and former GOP Senator Rick Santorum in another article noted how Trump “blew a lay-up” on his failure to denounce white supremacists, telling one group to stand ready.

    What they fail to realize is that failure is closer to who Trump really is as evidenced by too many past racist remarks and supporting white supremacists. But, Fox and Friends also encouraged him to not interrupt as much the next time. CNN did a flash poll after the debate and 60% had Biden winning with only 28% saying Trump. Even if that is a biased sample, there is a lot of differential therein.

    I am not advocating either way, but Trump may have given Biden an out if he chooses not to do any more debates with this mercurial person. He could simply say I do not want to put America through that again.

    Keith

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    • Well, it was a waste of time, but I felt it was something I needed to do. What I would really like is for each candidate to speak completely separately, say for 30-45 minutes, answering the moderator’s questions, rather than have them side-by-side where chaos can reign and We the Viewers come away not knowing anything more than we knew before.

      While I see no point in further debates, for they are meaningless and only a platform for Trump to rally his base, I think the CPD needs to be the ones to make that call. If Biden were to do it, you know Trump’s supporters would call him a coward and proclaim that Trump beat him so badly he’s afraid to face him again. We cannot afford that.

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        • Yes, definitely … or, shall I say, he tried to speak directly to us, but the juvenile on the other side kept rudely interrupting. But Biden’s best moments were when he looked directly into the camera and spoke directly to us, largely ignoring the background chaos.

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  8. I particularly enjoyed Biden’s “clown” remark; but at least one analytics person, from parts unknown because the feed was bad, took umbrage stating never had he ever heard anyone talk to an incumbent president that way. Well, buddy, welcome to the four years of ‘never have I ever’ hell we have all been suffering. I will never be able to move beyond the stark knowledge that so many people, a large segment of whom I once considered close friends and loving family members, follow him around like rabid groupies hanging on the next stupid thing to come spilling out of his lying mouth. It is safe to say though that, but for his mindless zombie fan base, no one else in this country felt anything was accomplished during last night’s debate. I have near millennial aged sons who are dismayed because the choices are less than stellar and have seen many unhappy remarks. What I want to say to those who choose to fold in on themselves is this is real life, kids. Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead, 2012 and the Day After Tomorrow are now in your face. There is no parent or grandparent with enough money to fix this. You have to make a choice and writing in some random person just to make a statement will ensure that we are facing another four years of misery. If you can’t vote with excitement at least vote responsibly. But VOTE. 😞

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    • Isn’t it incredible that someone would take umbrage at that statement, yet not be offended by all the crass, crude statements that Trump has made, or the horrible names he has called honourable people? You are so right, my friend … this is real life and sometimes the best we get is to choose between the lesser of two evils. In this case, I think the difference is so glaringly, in-your-face obvious that anybody who can still vote for Trump after the damage and destruction he has willfully caused this nation in the past 4 years, deserves what they get. Trouble is, the rest of us, those who care about others, those of us who have more than 2 functional brain cells, do NOT deserve what the others are imposing upon us. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I sense that for you, like myself, the frustration levels are at an all-time high. Like you said … let’s all VOTE and put an end to this nightmare!

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  9. Thanks for this summary, for those of us who could not stomach the debates. His support and pride for a son who has served honorably and is solving his problems is an example, and should hopefully wake up those still following Trump blindly.

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    • I don’t know if I will watch any more of them, either, for I slept little last night after watching the train wreck that is trying to bully his way to another four years. Sigh. However, the CPD is proposing more stringent rules to prevent the fiasco that transpired last night, and if their new rules include finding a way to make Trump shut up when Biden is speaking, I may try the next one. So stressful, but … we have to know. I was proud of Joe Biden … he may stutter and stumble sometimes, but he’s intelligent and a decent, kind man … that is important, and I am amazed at the people who simply don’t care that Trump is a liar, a cheat, a racist and a cruel bully. Sigh.

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      • I’d love to get one of those T-shirts, Jill! Great post! Trumps rabid base of the great unwashed nay have loved that performance, but I’ll wager it didn’t impress many of the undecided. I stat through the whole thing because I had faith that Joe could stand up to Trump for 90 minutes. He proved me right!

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        • Thanks John!!! Heck, I read today that even some republicans who had been helping Trump prepare for the debate were disappointed or even appalled by his performance! Yes, I was proud of Joe last night … I think of the Aesop fable about the hare and the tortoise … and the moral of the story … slow and steady wins the race. Let us hope.

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