Post-Debate Grumbles

You surely don’t expect a sweet, complacent post from me after I only just finished watching the final presidential debate, do you?  A couple of times, I had to take off my headphones and step away from the computer lest I throw it or punch it, but I’m pleased to say that I survived.  They should give us buttons or stickers saying, “I survived watching the debate!”, for it is no small task!debate-3

All in all, the debate really wasn’t a debate, but at least we were able to hear and understand most of Biden’s responses without Trump talking over him.  Trump did, however, keep on talking long after the moderator had told him “Okay, we’re moving on to the next topic” repeatedly.  In my book, the only truly relevant question was the final one, when each candidate was asked what, on inauguration day, they would say to the people who didn’t vote for them.  Their responses, in part …

Trump:  “We have to make our country totally successful as it was prior to the plague coming over from China.  We are on the road to success. But I’m cutting taxes and he wants to raise everybody’s taxes, and he wants to put new regulations on everything. He will kill it. If he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you’ve never seen. Your 401(k)s will go to hell, and it’ll be a very, very sad day for this country.”

Biden: “I will say, I’m an American president. I represent all of you. Whether you voted for me or against me. And I’m going to make sure that you’re represented. I’m going to give you hope. We’re going to choose science over fiction. We’re going to choose hope over fear. We’re going to choose to move forward because we have enormous opportunities to make things better.

And I’m going to say, as I said at the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country, decency, honor, respect, treating people with dignity, making sure that everyone has an even chance. And I’m going to make sure you get that, what you haven’t been getting in the last four years.”

Notice the difference?  Trump used his 60 seconds to criticize Biden some more, while Biden actually answered the question with what sounded very much like the best possible way to begin the healing process.  A negative answer vs a positive message.

And that’s all I have to say about the debate … another 90 minutes of my life that I can’t get back.

According to a story in yesterday’s New York Times

The Trump campaign has been videotaping Philadelphia voters while they deposit their ballots in drop boxes, leading Pennsylvania’s attorney general to warn this week that the campaign’s actions fall outside of permitted poll watching practices and could amount to illegal voter intimidation.

The campaign made a formal complaint to city officials on Oct. 16, saying a campaign representative had surveilled voters depositing two or three ballots at drop boxes, instead of only their own. The campaign called the conduct “blatant violations of the Pennsylvania election code,” according to a letter from a lawyer representing the Trump campaign that was reviewed by The New York Times. The campaign included photos of three voters who it claimed were dropping off multiple ballots.

Last week daughter Chris, granddaughter Natasha (aka Miss Goose), and I completed our mail-in ballots.  Not trusting the United States Postal Service to deliver them in a timely fashion, we had already decided to use the drop box at the county board of elections.  Since there is only one ballot drop box per county in our state, the nearest drop box is about 15 miles from here … not a long distance, but my van is not reliable outside of a 2-mile radius, and daughter Chris works from 6:00 a.m. ‘til 6:00 p.m. Monday thru Friday.  So, on Saturday she took all three of our ballots to the drop box.  She put all three into the drop box, and yesterday I received notification that all three had been received and accepted.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with her dropping off all three of our ballots!

I find it rather creepy to think that Trump cronies might be filming her, take down her license plate number, and harass us or attempt to negate our ballots.  And are these government employees doing the videotaping?  Are we paying these people to spy on us???

The Trump campaign’s aggressive strategy in Philadelphia suggests its aim is to crack down on people dropping off ballots for family members or anyone else who is not strictly authorized to do so. Ms. Kerns demanded that the names of all voters who had used a drop box in front of Philadelphia’s City Hall on Oct. 14 be turned over to the campaign, and insisted that the city station a staff member around every drop box “at all times.” She also asked for footage from municipal cameras around City Hall.

Bullshit!  “Ms. Kerns” needs to go choke on a turnip!  It is a blatant attempt at voter intimidation and there is no law prohibiting a family member from dropping off a ballot.  What would be the difference if a family member put someone’s ballot in the mailbox for them?  None whatsoever.  This is a step too far in Trump’s attempt to claim that there is voter fraud in voting by mail, where there is none!  First it was fake ballot boxes put up by the GOP in California, and now this!  If by some chance Trump wins this election, it will not have been an honest win, but will have been because he interfered with the right of the people to cast a ballot!  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

60 thoughts on “Post-Debate Grumbles

  1. I noted a striking difference between the two candidates.

    One was quietly dignified and composed, explaining his position on the questions clearly and confidently. The other individual, while starting out comparatively calm, cool, and collected, quickly devolved into emotionally-laced defenses and attacks, accompanied by his usual self-congratulatory praise of all the “millions and millions” of wonderful things he’s accomplished.

    Anyone that viewed this debate differently has truly drank the kool-aid.

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    • That’s funny, Nan, for I noted the exact same striking difference. I would add one thing, though … one told the truth, while the other opened his mouth and out flew lie after lie after lie. One was honest, one was not. One was on topic, the other was not. One came across as a human with empathy and compassion, the other came across as a bigoted egomaniac, even going so far as to compare himself to Abraham Lincoln!

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  2. from a friend on facebook:
    “Let’s put this in prospective (Joe style)
    1. The illegal Immigrants at the border in ICE custody: President Trump was left with the mess left behind by the Obama/Biden administration. He didn’t
    build the cages – they did.
    2. Healthcare: Under Obamacare thousands of retired Americans lost their health care coverage because their former employer couldn’t afford the cost of
    keeping them on it and passed that cost to them. They, in turn, couldn’t afford that cost. Many couldn’t afford the cost of purchasing insurance from the
    Let’s talk about Obamacare’s effect on those who are disabled and elderly. Oh yeah, Medicaid and Medicare recipients were forced onto advantaged care plans
    (including me – and I had to FIGHT to get rid of the advantaged care plan I was forced into because the May o Clinic would not accept Advantage Care).
    Advantage Care plans are often sub-par and don’t cover the costs of care needed. Many small businesses (and even big business) couldn’t afford these costs
    and cut employees to part-time to avoid paying benefits.
    1. Jobs: Under the Obama/Biden Administration many large Corporations and businesses moved overseas costing Americans thousands and thousands of jobs.
    Unemployment skyrocketed. Cities were left with abandoned properties because home owners couldn’t afford their mortgage. Many of these properties were
    bought by wealthy Chinese businessmen. Case to point, in Detroit many homes in the downtown area were sold for $1 a house to the Chinese.
    2. Climate Change: Compared to much of the world today the United States has cleaner air quality and cleaner water quality. China is not going by the Paris
    Accord. Other countries are not complying either.
    Renewable energy & Fossil Fuels: While these are proven to be successful alongside traditional power and fuel sources they have been shown to be ineffective
    by themselves. Areas where this has been tested such as parts of California have large amounts of blackouts. Until these methods are perfected they are
    inadequate as stand-alone methods of energy and fuel.
    1. COVID-19 – The numbers released by the democrats are inflated. Only 6% of COVID-related deaths are actually from COVID -19. Additionally, people who
    have gotten better were not taken off the count in counting those who have been infected with the virus. Shutting down the Country will NOT stop the virus.
    Areas that are shut down have more incidents of virus infections than those that are not. People lose their jobs when places are shut down. People commit
    suicide. Stress, anxiety, depression, and general mental health worsens. Mental Health is well documented to cause other physical illness such as heart
    attacks and stroke. Chain of Dominos here. Do we need this in America? No!
    2. Minimum Wage: Did any one stop to think about the fact that when the federal minimum wage is raised the price of goods and services rise? In a time
    when many are already hurting financially we can’t afford to worsen the problem. When companies have to pay a higher wage they pass that cost off on the
    customer to keep their business afloat, then the cost of living rises. That will NOT help our small business owners.
    We had hope and change, it didn’t work.


    • Scott, thanks for sharing. I am not going to take your friends comments one by one, but let pick one out just to show why we need to dig deeper on facts and statements. The comment about retirees losing employer health coverage has nothing to do with Obamacare. As a retired benefits consultant and actuary, this trend began in the early 1990s when the Financial Accounting Standards Board passed FAS Statement 106 governing how to better account for the employer cost of retiree healthcare, which before 1993 was accounted for on a pay as you go basis.

      This one FAS caused almost every employer with retiree medical benefits to rethink how they delivered these benefits. How do I know this? Because I helped them plan what to do when their accounting cost went from $1 miillion per annum to $15 million. So, Obamacare is not perfect and needs improvements, in some cases to overcome efforts by the GOP Senate and current president that drove premiums up, but it was not the reason companies decided to shift away from retiree medical benefits.

      I could speak to the other things, but this will suffice to show we need to consider sources of information. Feel free to look into this. By the way, I am on Obamacare now and although I pay full premiums without the subsidy, it is working pretty well for me. In our gig economy, we need an avenue for people to get coverage. That is my two cents. Keith

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        • Many thanks. Our health care system is confusing and needs thoughtful debate on its future. What Biden is proposing with shoring up the ACA adding a public option is not a bad idea, but we need to evaluate its efficacy as we should do with all things of this magnitude. I had recommended a trial of lowering Medicare to age 60 or 62 as one option to work in tandem with the ACA. Keith

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    • I really don’t have the time nor the energy to respond to all these points, so let me just pick one or two.

      Regarding the coronavirus pandemic … your friend has bad … really bad … information! The numbers reported are not ‘inflated’, but quite the opposite. The numbers reported are estimated to be low by about 30% … by experts in the medical field. We are at over 230,000 deaths right now reported, likely far more. It is estimated there will be 300,000 by the end of the year, and 400,000 by February. No, this is NOT a hoax or something to be taken lightly. It is true that depression, substance abuse and suicides are on the rise because of the many facets of the pandemic and the disruption of life, but frankly, I’ll stay home and be depressed and drink my wine before I’ll risk dying (and yes, because of my age and health, I WOULD die if I caught it) and infecting others.

      Regarding climate change … again, your friend has bad information. The U.S. does not have the cleanest air and water, but that aside … we are the single largest polluter, per capita, on the planet. Yes, China produces more CO2, but PER CAPITA, the U.S. produces the most. And here’s a reality for you … if we don’t work diligently toward net zero carbon emissions and NOW, you won’t need to worry about the future of your grandchildren or great-grandchildren, for they won’t have one. Yes, I believe the scientists worldwide … rather than your friend or Donald Trump or the CEO of Exxon. We are destroying the Earth … willfully and unconscionably.

      Hugs Scott.


  3. Hello Jill. When Ron and I were driving away from the voting place as we exited there was a person on the side walk filming all the vehicles leaving. The only good thing is here in Florida the single license plate is on the back so unless they had someone facing the other direction I did not see, they couldn’t get the plate numbers of the cars. Hugs

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    • That is … creepy! I find my supply of patience with it all has worn very thin, and I might well have stopped, gotten out, walked over to the person and jerked the camera out of his/her hand, smashing it on the ground. Enough … is … enough! Sigh. Hugs.

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  4. Jill, I keep coming back to the line uttered by Trump’s former Secretary of Defense General James Mattis (whose departure rattled both Republicans and Democrats). “Donald Trump does not even try to unite us.” I could add a dozen other quotes, but this president is dividing Americas better than even Vladimir Putin could have hoped. Irrespective of who wins the election, Putin has won. So, we need to work back from the hole we dug and try to unite America with a Biden victory. At least5 he will try. Keith

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      • Actually, it was Trump who ordered the children separated from their parents, and Trump who demanded it be done immediately, causing such chaos that now … still today … there are 545 children … CHILDREN, Scott … who cannot be reunited with their parents because ICE did not keep proper records. No, we’ll not go back and blame President Obama for this mess … Donald Trump owns this one … nobody but him.

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    • You are quite right, as was Mattis. Trump thrives on chaos and conflict and is, I believe, incapable of uniting us. He encourages violence, pours fuel on the flames of division, and if he has another four years, we may well be left with smoldering ruins of what was once a decent country.


  5. here’s a very good analysis of the debate by one of the only balanced people in journalism today.
    Dave Rubin is a former democrat, more of an independent, and, not like it matters, but he’s gay so that should check some of the boxes for those of you who measure people’s qualifications for objectiveness specifically by identity politics.
    Trump was actually presidential last night, will any of you at least admit that, regardless of whether you agree with what he says?
    bidens last statement was nothing more than a recycled set of slogans that sound good but, when he gets in, the slogans won’t translate into reality. They’re just tired saying like when he was talking about families not able to afford tires, it doesn’t work anymore.


    • What did Trump say that was presidential? Not one darn thing. He is still blaming China for Trump Fever, telling the people his was the best response possible. For a modern, advanced culture Americsa’s response was imbecilic. Ignore it, it will go away. Best do nothing way to save lives.
      You wanted us to give Trump a chance? We didn’t have to,he forced it down our throats, ike any rotten dictator would. He has proved over and over he has no idea what a leader is. If you are still supporting Trump, I have to question your humanity, and I have no desire to do that.

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      • Joe has said that he would lock down the country and have a mask mandate if he gets elected.
        Going on about your business and not living like bubble boy is the sole and only way to combat the economic degradation caused by knee-jerk superstitious over-responses to a largely mild disease that people in authority are using for political gain. Joe is one of those people.

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        • Hello Scott. Lets talk about what an economy is. It is the flow of money from people buying and people selling items, goods, or services. The economy can not be maintained by giving money to business only, that only keeps the stock market happy and stable for those with wealth. If you look out side the US borders you will see how other countries kept their people safe while still keeping their economies from crashing. These countries gave companies / businesses of all sizes the money to keep paying the workers wages while the workers stayed home observing Covid precautions. During this period no one lost their jobs, no business went out of business paying wages to employees who were at home, the people were able to pay their bills, their rents and mortgages, buy food, order stuff to be delivered. These countries had a reduced economies but still working ones and bounced back when the stay at home restrictions were slowly lifted. By contrast the US used the public treasury to give large corporations a 500 billion dollar leveraged times 10 revolving slush fund to take no repayment loans from with no requirements in some cases to even keep employees. The PPP was a separate bill for smaller companies that did have a requirement that business not lay off workers for a time limit. After that time limit they could lay off workers and still not have to repay the loans.

          The difference between the US and these other countries is those countries gave the public money to help the people and keep them safe. The US gave the public money to large corporations and some smaller but still large business and the people suffered while fending for themselves. Small so called mom and pop businesses went under and closed down for good. That is why the US economy crashed during the lock down. There is a better way to do it, protect the people, and keep the economy well.

          Oh on Covid you are complete incorrect on it largely mild disease. My spouse worked in an ICU taking care of Covid patients. We are in South Florida and the hospitals were over capacity having to change entire floors over to care for Covid patients. The virus was serious to children, young adults, and older people, including those with no comorbidities. The virus is not just mild or effecting the elderly and infirm. By the end of this weekend 225,000 people in the US will have died of the virus. By the end of February according to the latest IHME study 381,000 people in the US will die. That is an estimated 150,000 people in the US will be dead in three months from Covid. That estimate is with everyone wearing masks. With out that the estimate of deaths from Covid in three months climbs to 511,000. I wouldn’t call that a largely mild disease, I would call it a deadly virus and serious health crisis. Be well. Hugs

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          • I absolutely agree that it was horrible for big corporations to get any of the stimulus. In my opinion, it should have gone to the small businesses and the families, period. no bailouts for the airlines, no funds for wal-mart. the rich executives can take some for their teams and provide the employees much needed cash to maintain their jobs. That’s just my opinion though and the republicans wouldn’t like it.

            I still maintain that it wasn’t the job of the government to tell businesses which ones were essential and which were not and they indirectly did that by giving that bailout money to the big corporations.

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        • No, he said if it’s necessary to save lives and keep people safe. Thing is, most people who haven’t lost a loved one or had the virus themselves, see the death toll as only a number … they become inured to it. But, let me ask you, Scott … if your wife or one of your children had died, then would you wish Trump had taken the pandemic more seriously?


          • speaking of trump and biden, here’s an interesting video and he is totally correct that it’s the left’s fault that the party is in this mess.

            The dnc put up two horrible candidates for this and the last election, even liberals in 2016 said that hillary was a lousy candidate and it had nothing to do with her gender but her lack of a platform.

            At least obama ran on “Hope and change” hillary ran on nothing.



        • Get off the bus, Scott. Are you hearing the numbers coming out of India, Europe, the UK, andn most of all THE USA? Tell the people who have died of Covid that it was a mild infection they died of.
          I know you are an intelligent man, sir, but you really make me wonder who is filling your head with Trump’s bullshit!

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      • I fully agree that there was not one single thing ‘presidential’ about Trump on Thursday night. Of course, perhaps I define ‘presidential’ in different terms than some … for me, it means being compassionate and caring, intelligent and well-spoken, and speaking to ALL the people, not just those who support you. Trump is none of those things, and he cannot even put on a good act of being any of them. Also … his lies were consistent with his norm … he lied about every single damn topic. Honesty and integrity are important to me in a presidential candidate … Trump has neither.


        • I LOVE Margherita Pizza, though I’ve never had it with truffles … in fact, I’ve never eaten a truffle (except the chocolate kind) in my life! Still, one could modify this recipe … or … one could simply call the Chili’s restaurant that makes a great Margherita Pizza, for a carryout order! Thanks for the great idea!

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            • I’ve never had a truffle either aside from the chocolate kind, what are they like? Are they something a vegetarian could eat or no?

              I’ve had some interesting things on pizza as well, one place I went to had eggplant as a topping and that was really yummy.

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              • They are a fungi, like mushrooms, only from what I understand, they are a bit more pungent. So yeah, they will fit fine in a vegan diet. Eggplant … somehow does not appeal to me, but I do love Hawaiian pizza with pineapple, cinnamon and ham or Canadian bacon!


                • I like pineapple on pizza too, actually combine it with jalapenos and it’s magic. I’m the only one in this house who will eat that combo. lol.

                  Hope you’re weekend is going good. hugs.

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                  • Pineapple and Jalapeño … be still my heart!!!! I thought I was the only person in the whole world who could love such a combo! We may not agree on politics, but our culinary tastes have a common thread! Weekend is okay … hope yours is too!


                    • it’s going okay, feeling down today for some reason, not sure why. I found titles for the 12th volume of the isolation concerts series, now I just have to go look for a cover for the album.

                      One of my favorite ambient artists is doing a live stream tonight so maybe I’ll tune into that. I may do a live set Monday or Tuesday, haven’t decided for sure.

                      tomorrow will be laundry day.

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                    • I’m sorry to hear that, but it’s understandable. I hope you enjoyed the ambience of the music tonight. Tomorrow is laundry day? Just one day? EVERY day is laundry day here, even with only three of us in the house!


                    • Oh there will be more than one laundry day, today is just the big one. lol.

                      the live stream was alright, not as good as I had hoped, though there were parts of it I really enjoyed.

                      Hope you’re having a good Sunday. I may purchase a new expansion pack for my new software that I’ve been using to make music since May. Unlike my old hardware, it actually has speech so it talks when I need it to in terms of, well, everything. lol.

                      Cindy’s going with matt to go get the trailer which he left down south after his company lost the contract they thought they had so she’ll be gone all day.

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                    • Ahhhh … now I understand!

                      I had a decent Sunday … we spent the evening with our friends Maha & Ali, immigrants from Iraq, celebrating two birthdays (my daughter’s and Maha’s). I can’t believe my daughter turns 50 today! I suddenly feel so old!

                      So, you had both dad-duty and laundry duty today, eh? Not much of a fun Sunday! Hugs, my friend.


  6. I sense desperation amongst the Unholy Church clerics. This never works well. They will try and intimidate the ordinary front-line workers some of whom in turn will be angry and disillusioned and will get into arguments with co-workers who are Church members.
    Again Trump and his court have proven themselves classically stupid. The idea numb-nuts is to convince the opposition you are the real deal, turn them around, make them think your way is good, edge a bit of compromise in…..Geez-Louise what a bunch of (very bad work) klutzy stumblers

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  7. A question from one who doesn’t know, are the ballots going into the boxes marked on the outside with the candidate you’re voting for? I’m just wondering how anyone watching would know who the votes were for. If so, why is anyone allowed to watch at all? Put them in unmarked envelopes to be opened at the counting house. The problem is negated. Congratulations on watching the whole thing. Even I found it an effort and I usually like them

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    • No, there is nothing on the outside of the ballot to indicate who was voted for, neither party nor candidate. In fact, the ballot is placed into one envelope that has such things as name, address, etc., then that envelope is placed into another that has nothing but the address of the board of elections on it — no personal or identifying information at all.

      Yes, the debate was … annoyingly tedious. I think that while one candidate is speaking, the other should not be shown, for Trump’s facial contortions are a distraction. And, I couldn’t figure out why they didn’t just mute his mic when he kept talking even after being told his time was up. Ah well, that was the last one … four years before there will be another!

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