‘Is This Who We Are?’ — Follow-Up

What follows is a rant … proceed with caution.

Just over a week ago, 20 November, I published a post titled Is This Who We Are? , in which I related a story of a dedicated healthcare worker in Missouri who had been threatened and harassed for her role in trying to ensure the safety of the people in her area during this pandemic, thus she was resigning her position.  The post, oddly, proved somewhat controversial with some readers essentially shrugging their shoulders and saying, “Oh well … live and let live.”

One comment on that post that came in a few days later, however, broke my heart and for a week now it has weighed on my mind.  This reader is a blogging friend whom I have never met and likely never will, but over the course of the last several years, we have communicated and bonded through our blogs, Facebook, and the occasional email, so I feel a personal connection to her.  Last night, still disturbed by it, I was reading the comment to my daughter and granddaughter, and at some point, I realized my voice was cracking and tears had filled my eyes.  This woman is about my age and is one of the most decent human beings I know.  She has recently undergone some serious health issues and yet is still trying her best to help people … and paying a steep price.  I share with you her comment, for many of you likely have not seen it …

“Jill, I haven’t been blogging much lately…mostly because my husband (the registered nurse) and I (chem dep counselor) have been volunteering at our city public health department, making calls to follow up on active covid cases. As the months have gone on we’ve received nasty emails, drive-bys at our home, two heaping piles of manure left on our front porch and truck, signs left in the front yard saying we are traitors, communists, fear-mongerers, and worse. I have received two death threats…my husband more because he is doing actual testing then follow up calls. Our local police have now made it a habit to drive by our home on a daily basis just to make sure we are okay. We have been spit upon at stores for wearing masks, one person came up and coughed all over me…it is beyond the pale. Yes, unfortunately this is who we are. Half of us responsible and worried about everyone and half just mean reprehensible people. I’m supposed to be at the health department right now, but the emergency road guy is changing all four of our slashed tires. I don’t recognize my country anymore. And I ache for the “good old days” when a president was a worthy man and our people were civil. I have my volunteer resignation letter in hand and will be giving it to the public health coordinator when I go in today. Two months and I can not take it anymore. I am frankly afraid to leave my home…and NOT due to a fear of getting sick. I am more afraid of being murdered.”

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?????  Fortunately, I am reasonable enough, intelligent enough to realize that this is NOT representative of all people, that there ARE good people in this world who would risk their very lives to help others.  But anybody who acts in this manner does not, in my opinion, deserve life on earth.  The United States is a nation of almost excessive ‘freedoms’ and ‘rights’, but as I have said many, many times, each ‘right’ is accompanied by a responsibility.  Shirk the responsibility and you lose the right … it’s that damn simple.  NOBODY in this country has the right to threaten or harass another person.  NOBODY has the right to endanger the lives of others for their own personal convenience or pleasure.  IT’S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!  It’s a simple concept of people of all colours, all beliefs, all ages, living on this planet together, helping each other when needed, living in peace.  Why is that so hard for some people?

In other comments on that same post, one reader said that forcing a mask mandate equated to a “fascist dictator telling you what to do”, and another claimed that government has no right to tell him how to live or interact with his fellow humans.  BULLSHIT on both counts.  We have a government because … humans have proven they need rules, they crave rules, for left to their own devices, they will hurt, kill, and maim … for pleasure.

Every Wednesday I do a feature titled “Good People Doing Good Things”, which is typically my most popular post of any given week.  We like to hear about people helping others … we just apparently don’t like to BE that person who gives, rather than takes.

Anybody who refuses to wear a mask, who refuses to stay home rather than hang out in a crowded bar or restaurant, is putting my life and yours in danger.  Anybody who threatens someone who is dedicating their own time and energy to trying to keep us all safe is a GRADE-A JACKASS and frankly does not, in my book, deserve to be taking up space on the already-crowded planet.

To my friend who has been the victim of such vicious threats and attacks, I apologize on behalf of the human species.  To those who think they have a right to put our lives in danger … I hope you choke on a turnip.

Coexist

73 thoughts on “‘Is This Who We Are?’ — Follow-Up

  1. Sadly, this IS who we are in the United States. Four years ago, I didn’t know this. I thought, despite a few nasty crazies, we were a nation of good-hearted people. I was wrong. A full third of us are irrational, uneducated, brainwashed, mean, nasty, angry, armed, and dangerous. I would like very much to emigrate, but I don ‘t think my family will go with me.

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  2. It is shocking that anyone should be treated as your friend has been – nothing to disagree with in your well-justified rant! Hearing of behaviour like that makes one feel ashamed. Take comfort, however, there are foul and selfish people on this side of the Pond too. Initially, I think many of us thought this Covid-Crisis would invoke something of a 21st century Blitz Spirit. And maybe, for a time and with some people, it did. But it is in some ways easier than what that generation went through, and in other ways worse. In well under a year, we will soon pass the total number of civilian fatalities suffered in 6 years of war. Sadly, we can’t blame your chap Trump. What bothers me – and this seems to be general both sides of the Pond – is that we can’t disagree anymore. No one is allowed to have an alternative point of view without becoming an object of hate – you see this on the streets and, of course, on the Internet. We have witnessed it over Scottish Independence, BREXIT and now Covid. And it is not just one side of the political spectrum that is guilty. What’s happened to disagreeing with what a person says, but defending to the death their right to say it?

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    • Your comment is very astute … and you are 100% right. There is a lack of respect for others today that I don’t think has ever existed in my 69 years on this earth. And it isn’t only here and in the UK, but I think it has spilled over into most of the industrialized world. I, too, would have expected the pandemic to bring us together, fighting a common enemy, so to speak, but instead it has divided us even further. And you’re right … we cannot have civil discourse any more with those of opposite opinions, the result of which is that we cannot find any middle ground, any areas for compromise. As for what happened … I have long thought greed and arrogance are largely to blame. We focus so much on the individual … individual ‘rights’ and priorities, that we seem to forget about the greater good. It has become what I often refer to as a ‘me-istic’ society … all about me. Sigh. Thanks for dropping by, and for the follow! I look forward to more interesting conversations!

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  3. A civil society cannot exist where no one cares for anyone other than himself. It’s just not possible. Apparently about half of the people in the United States would like to return to barbarism and the “demon-haunted world,” as Carl Sagan said. I am appalled, horrified, disgusted by what I see going on here–the utter lack of concern for others, the politicization of EVERYTHING, the willingness to tolerate or commit atrocities when a conman tells them to do it. I watched Nazi Germany come very close to being reborn right before my eyes. I will never be the same person.

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    • You are so right … and looking at some of the recent events, I wonder if we are still a civil society. Yes, that slightly-less-than-half of our nation would very much like to return to the pre-Civil War days, or at least the pre-Civil Rights era. They seek a world that is white, Christian, and male-dominated, and they are willing to go to tremendous lengths to achieve that. Like you, I am appalled and horrified by not only the actions, but the ideology of some. Trump is but a symptom of a far greater disease, and I fear we will not easily overcome it.

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      • Agreed. We have a LOT of work to d ahead of us. I am particularly troubled by the cult aspect of 45’s followers and the self-centered selfishness of all Repubicans, from what i can see. How do you topple a cult leader? It’s very hard to do, because the followers just make up shit to explain everything that happens, even if it doesn’t fit their narrative. It is 100% emotion-based, with no critical thinking involved. The truth doesn’t matter. I hope the Biden team is consulting with some people who are experts in deprogramming. I sure have no idea how to do it.

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        • They are, indeed, similar to a cult in their almost worship of a madman. He knew the right buttons to push, and so many of them are single-issue voters, all he had to do was promise to choose judges who would outlaw abortion, who would put religion into government. I don’t know how to get through to people who refuse to believe in science and facts. I don’t think anyone can, but if Fox News, Breitbart, NewsMax and OANN all went off the air, it might be possible to at least get them to listen to reason. Sigh.

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  4. Read Padre Steve’s post from today….a view of things to come…not good, but spot on.
    Your friend’s story is representative of the future, which is also not good. Humanity is coming to an end..

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  5. Some people aren’t civilized and may never be. Trump gave them permission to show their uncivilized natures and be hateful to others so he could win and stay the President. Thank goodness enough people disagreed to oust him. Let’s also hope he was a one-time thing. He needs to take his sick mind and retire but that may be too much to ask. Let’s hope not. 😦 — Suzanne

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    • You are so right … he gave them permission to slither out from under the rocks where they once hid, and now I’m not sure if we’ll ever be able to get them back under those rocks. Like you, I hope Trump was a one-off, but … I have a hunch that he was only the beginning. Sigh.

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  6. This mask issue seems so bizarre to me, it defies reason. If a person vehemently oppose masks then fine don’t wear one, but to viciously punish those who only have ur best interest at heart is irrational and counter productive.
    I’m shaking my head in disbelief at the cruelty of our fellow human beings.
    So sorry to hear what ur friend had to endure in her own community, she’s labeled a pariah for caring? *Sigh*

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    • It does defy reason … the same ones who refuse to wear a mask, are saying they will not have the vaccine once it is available. Apparently they don’t care one whit about their families, friends (if they have any) or co-workers. They claim it is their ‘civil right’. Apparently they are ignorant both of history, and of what civil rights are. I think our education system has failed miserably if these are the types of people it is turning out.

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  7. I’m sorry your friend and her husband have suffered so much while simply trying to make life better for others.

    It’s ironic those who scream being forced to wear a mask is fascism and covid is a hoax are much the same ones who claim to be pro-Life. They’re willing to risk the lives of others-and their own-by exercising THEIR “rights”, while having no problem fighting to take away a woman’s choice.

    Someone who refuses to wear a mask told me they were two different things. But they’re not. We don’t get to decide which lives are worth saving and which aren’t. We should be working together to save all lives, and if you aren’t, you’re just a self-righteous ass forcing your beliefs on others.

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    • Yes, I’ve always found a great deal of irony in those who say they are “pro-life”, for they really aren’t, they are only anti-abortion. They largely support the death penalty, and … they are against “their” tax dollars being used to help support that baby they insisted was a human being when it was but the size of a pearl. Truth is, they are misogynists who would like to keep women under the control of men, but they are NOT pro-life by any means.

      I very much agree … this pandemic should have brought the people of this country closer together, fighting a common enemy, and perhaps it might have were it not for one Donald Trump who has almost a cult following and who denied that the pandemic even existed for months. Sigh.

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  8. Reblogged this on barsetshirediaries and commented:
    A thoughtful rant by my friend Jill.
    Hear Hear With Bells on Jill. We all have a responsibility to our fellow man whether we agree with him or not. What we must not allow is fr one side of a discussion to take control by way of threats and violence. You and your friends say it all admirably in your comments.

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  9. Hear Hear With Bells on Jill. We all have a responsibility to our fellow man whether we agree with him or not. What we must not allow is fr one side of a discussion to take control by way of threats and violence. You and your friends say it all admirably in your comments.

    Cwtch.

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  10. Jill,

    This isn’t just who we are as a country, this is what we’ve been for longer than I’ve been alive (47 yrs+). What you and others are experiencing now because of covid is a sampling of what minorities have endured our entire lives.

    Spitting, slashed tires, vandalism, and death threats are nothing new to us. Sometimes, we’re on the receiving end of those actions for nothing more than existing.

    This post isn’t to take away the traumatic experiences that people are having now, because I totally and completely empathize with them. I long ago learned that everyone smiling and being nice to you are not always friendly people.

    The only way to change this is to change people’s hearts. Their hearts can’t and won’t be changed if they’re unwilling to change it themselves.

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    • You are so right, my friend. I have a few years on you (22 of them, to be exact) and well remember the Civil Rights era of the 1960s, actually heard Martin Luther King speak in person in Seattle once. I remember the hate on the part of some white people and, being fairly young, I did not understand it. Nobody could explain it to me. Now, I’m nearly 70 and I STILL don’t understand it, and STILL nobody can explain why they feel that pale skin makes one superior! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I agree that for real change to happen, we must change people’s hearts, but … how do we do that? We’ve been trying for ages and I thought we had made progress, but then along came Trump who gave them permission to hate, permission to be blatant bigots. Sigh.

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  11. The horrible represent maybe 15% of the population, but they have been empowered by Trump to act out. It’s past time to put them back under the rock where they live. Yes, they are there — the child abusers, the wife beaters, the high school dropouts, the losers, who are jealous of anyone who does better. The mask issue is an excuse, not something in which they actually believe, because they really don’t believe in anything. They just want others to hurt.
    Every society has them but we give them more free rein than others. In a totalitarian society, they would end up quickly in work camps or dead, like the Brown Shirts who helped Hitler to take power and then were purged.

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  12. Amen to that, Jill. This is something I too, cannot understand. Those terrible people, how unhappy they must be with themselves to live with. And your friend is ‘just another one’ of the very good people who will leave their jobs and lives because of some horrible human being who cannot find happiness in themselves. Still hoping that you can enjoy this first Advent Sunday a bit at least.

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  13. What state is this one in? When I read your first article I was appalled-and now this one. Before we left Florida (and the country) it was nasty for us at times at stores with glares for our mask wearing and blatant disregard, especially after the Supreme Idiot ‘purportedly’ contracted and victoriously defeated the virus while in the care of all the military’s top doctors and treatment options. You wanna talk about hoaxes? 🧐 Work had become unbearable for me in the medical field. Our doctor is a huge adoring Trump fan and only followed the mandates because of fear of being closed down. He knew a few of us were paying close attention. After I left I am quite certain he and his millennial groupies yanked off their masks, Madman style, and are at present making themselves and 3/4 of his patient base happy. Aside from the physical health risks involved with working in healthcare anytime but most especially now, is the mental strain of dealing with these political zealots who love instigating, spouting off their ideas and completely without concern for whether or not the person to whom they are bitching is on the same page. As a representative of the practice I could not respond with my own personal thoughts and if I happened to be assisting the doctor would often have to listen to their ridiculous exchange of ideas and conspiracy theories. The majority of young people I worked with and managed had a disdain for older people who have been deemed ‘most vulnerable’ and the worst of these was one young girl who suggested if we want to stay well, then we should just stay home. Do you know how disheartening it is to feel completely devalued and loathed by the same young people who demand understanding and respect even when behaving without regard for anyone else? These are the same techs who I have supported through their problems, whose irresponsible behaviors go beyond the norm, and they still have jobs. This is not about generational differences. It is about the abandonment of legacy of wisdom and the birth of ‘Me First’ at the expense of anyone getting in their way. I am only thankful I raised four conscientious sons who know the truth. I feel for them and fear for their future and the future of their children. 😞

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  14. I am blessed to live in a state led by a (Republican!) governor who respects science; so I haven’t seen or experienced firsthand the disheartening ignorance and disrespect described in this blog post. I still don’t know what to make of the intensity of mean-spirited-ness boiling up in our country these days. Obviously it has been encouraged by our current presidential leadership, but it must have existed in different forms before he rode to power by tapping into and inflaming it. What are the deep fears and feelings driving it? Fear of change? Fear of retaliation from others whose lives they (or their parents or their grandparents or their great grandparents) once terrorized or even enslaved? Humiliation that their lives have been disregarded (“basket of deplorables”) and overlooked by leadership who valued the lives and livelihoods of billionaires more than the lives of hard-working people who are living more and more on the edge? I am hoping that Covid-19 will end up changing the hearts and minds of some of the folks who are militantly in denial about it when it finally enters their lives — and one of their family or friends or loved ones falls seriously ill and experiences the epiphany that we see in videos from hospital sickbeds… But in the meanwhile, the toll the pandemic is taking on our healthcare workers remains profound and horrific. Deep breath in. Deep breath out.

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    • I, too, live in a state with a Republican governor, Mike DeWine, who respects the science and … cares about the well-being of the people, not just keeping them happy so they will vote for him again, or keeping Trump happy. However, I do see a lot of people who criticize the governor for his mask mandate and other measures he has taken to try to stem the surge of the coronavirus. Even a friend hosted a large group on Thanksgiving and when I mentioned the danger, he said “Screw DeWine”. Sigh.

      Yes, the ignorance, disrespect, and bigotry in our society has always existed. I thought for a while that we were overcoming it, but in truth it was hiding under the rocks, just waiting for someone like Trump to give it permission to slither out. And now, we have people applauding police who kill Black people with no provocation, who claim that LGBT people should not have the same civil rights as the rest, and who would turn this nation into a narrow-minded white, Christian, male-dominated society if they could.

      Initially, I thought perhaps the pandemic would bring us closer, help narrow the divisions in this country as we fought a common enemy, but instead it has driven us even further apart. Makes me wonder if there is, after all, any hope for the human species? Seems we are bent on destroying ourselves by thumbing our nose at climate change just as we are at the pandemic. Sigh. Yes, deep breaths are definitely required multiple times a day! Thanks for dropping by, Will!

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    • Unfortunately I live in a state with probably the second worst republican governor, next to S. Dakota and Christi Noem. I have DeSantis, who is referred to as DeathSantis…he is almost as awful as trump.

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      • You are so right … I am still amazed at DeSantis, that he was actually able to get elected! But then … Trump got elected, which just goes to prove that people have lost their bloomin’ minds!

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  15. Thank you for sharing!!.. it is unfortunate that your friends (and others) have to deal with such behavior.. over the years elements of society has tried to portray a image of what America is about but with today’s technology, amplified by the virus, has shown the reality of it all…this is the land of bullies (Trump being the head bully and he has managed to bring out some of the worst.. 🙂 ) but as they say “what goes around, comes around” and one day those bullies will find it is their turn in the barrel and “At the end of the day people may not remember what you said or did, but they will remember how you made them feel.” (Maya Angelou)… 🙂

    Hope all is well in your part of the universe and until we meet again..

    May love and laughter light your days,
    and warm your heart and home.
    May good and faithful friends be yours,
    wherever you may roam.
    May peace and plenty bless your world
    with joy that long endures.
    May all life’s passing seasons
    bring the best to you and yours!
    (Irish Saying)

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    • Thanks, Dutch! Yes, we are becoming a nation of bullies, of bigots with superiority complexes. I have always loved that Maya Angelou quote, as well as many others of hers. And thank you for the Irish Saying — I always love those!

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      • Good morning. Reading Nan’ Notebook made me curious about David Prosser’s blog; and after another detour, I find myself following this thread. I would like to add another heart-warming Irish Blessing. Greetings.
        May the road rise to meet you.
        May the wind always be at your back.
        May the sun shine warm upon your face.
        May the rains fall soft upon your fields.
        And until we meet again,
        May God hold you in the palm of his hand.
        .+

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    • I think they believe that if they refuse to acknowledge it, if they deny it and refuse to make changes to their lifestyle, it will just be gone, won’t exist. Too bad we can’t send them to a deserted island somewhere, where they couldn’t bring harm to the rest of us. Sigh. Thanks Michael … you too! Weekend’s about over now, though. 😉

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  16. Reused over on my site (hyour reblog button didn’t seem to work). “I cannot imagine what it must be like to live in a nation that has lost its way to the extent that this recent post from fellow blogger Jill Denison illustrates.”

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    • Thank you so much, Frank, for sharing this. Not sure what’s up with the reblog button … sometimes it just takes refreshing the screen. We have indeed lost our way … whereas I thought the pandemic would help united this divided country … you know, a common enemy … it has done just the opposite and today this nation is more divided than ever. Sigh.

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  18. I don’t know how many Canadian fools we have who are threatening others, hopefully significantly less than 50% of our population, but we sure have a lot of vocal locals who would rather be dead than wear a mask, or even take a test. How can anyone believe testing for Covid inflates the numbers? All it can do is tell us who is already infected, and that number 8s still growing daily. Our mini-Trump premier of Alberta is saying the only reason Alberta has the highest per capita rate of daily increases in Canada is because we test more than other provinces–meanwhile he is too cowardly to call for a province wide lockdown, saying rural people are less likely to get Covid than city folk. Hell, the only reason city folk are more likely to contract Covid is because of population density, too many people packed into too small a space. All he needs to do is look at the northern territory of Nunavut. Their population is small, and spread across a vast wilderness. They were happily going along virus-free till just a month ago. Then they got one case, and within days they were over a hundred. You cannot get more rural than Nunavut, but now they have Covid too,and it is still spreading. Kenney thinks and acts like a Canadian fool, and he is too stupid to know it.
    Yeah, I’m ranting too, but it feels good to let the rest of the world know that despite our much lower overall numbers Canadians have, we can be just as stupid as people anywhere else.
    Just imagine how many would be dead if this flu hoax were as deadly as the Spanish flu. It is much more contagious, yet no one cares. It’s all about them!
    BULLSHIT!
    I sometimes think what Notes to Ponder said should be, no mask, no vaccine. But I cannot go that far. As stupid as they are, they are stilll living beings. They deserve the opportunity to learn just how stupid they are…

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    • Kenney seems to have been listening to Trump, who also says the only reason we have so many cases is the amount of testing we do. Wouldn’t you think a functional brain should be a requirement for politicians? Sigh. I am in full agreement with Notes to Ponder … if they are so stupid as to infect themselves, their families, friends, and co-workers, then they should be the very last ones to be eligible for a vaccine. I’m sick and tired of the selfish, greedy, arrogant attitude of about half of our society … unfortunately, the coronavirus isn’t discriminating and doesn’t only strike those who are begging for it. Sigh. Yes, my friend, it is BULLSHIT.

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    • I’m sure every country has some, but you guys have one huge thing that keeps your society from devolving as ours has, and that is a lack of guns in the hands of every fool & idiot. There is a mentality in about half this nation that says, “If I don’t get my way, I’ll just shoot you”. I see people carrying guns even in the grocery store. They seem to feel it gives them carte blanche to act stupid, refusing to wear a mask, gathering in large crowds, and then bringing all those germs home to their family, friends and co-workers. Is it any wonder we have the highest number of cases and the highest death toll, even though the U.S. comprises just over 4% of the world’s population? Sigh.

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  19. I am so not surprised. I have heard people rant about how this is “all a hoax” & how the “numbers are inflated” until I want to scream. Our county executive’s house is routinely picketed by protesters who think it’s OK to go anywhere they want, maskless, they want the bars opened up again, all night long, they want to par-tay! They call him a tyrant. They don’t know the meaning of the damn word.

    As for the concept of freedom now meaning selfishness, check out Pope Francis’s opinion in the NY Times from Thanksgiving Day. He really nails the American sickness … it’s not COVID, it’s selfishness. Thinking only of one’s own pleasures & not of the community.

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    • I read the article in my FB newsfeed. I’m grateful for the Pope’s active role in social issues. The comments that followed the article were so outrageous that it sounded like this group of responders were in the middle of psychotic breakdown laced with irrational paranoid thinking. Its scary that these people are out there with these thoughts. Sad really. Many evangelicals believe Catholics are no more than “devil idol worshipping heathens”. Inded, What have we become?

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      • While I am not a fan of the Catholic Church, I have a degree of respect for Pope Francis, for he seems to be trying to make amends for some of the past crimes of the church. I am even less a fan of the evangelicals who, I think, are the most bigoted people in the nation, who strive only for a white, Christian, male-dominated world and are willing to kill to get it. We are becoming a nation defined by greed, arrogance, and a lack of compassion. When the pandemic first hit, I thought perhaps it would bring this divided nation together to fight a common enemy, but instead it has driven us even further apart. Sigh.

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    • I fully agree … it is a product of what I have long called the “Me-istic” society where some believe their rights supersede all others, no matter what the cost to those others. Rights and responsibility are an inseparable pair … the person who wants to use his ‘right’ to buy a gun, but doesn’t take the responsibility of keeping it under lock and key so that his children cannot accidentally shoot each other is a prime example, but there are thousands more. I will check out the Pope’s NYT piece … and he’s right … we have a pandemic of greed and selfishness in this nation that I don’t think is matched anywhere else in the world.

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    • Agreed. From Goodreads: The Convention promulgated this great axiom: “The liberty of one citizen ends where the liberty of another citizen begins,” which comprises in two lines the entire law of human society.
      Victor Hugo

      I was taught this many years ago and truly have believed it. But Victor Hugo was French.
      In looking up the quote to make sure I remembered it correctly, I found another version which I think our fellow Americans have misunderstood
      “Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man’s nose begins.” unknown judge in a Harvard Review. June 1919.

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    • I think that should definitely be the rule! If a person is foolish enough to consistently put their own and others’ lives at risk, why should they be eligible for the cure to the disease they helped to spread? I think that we, as a society, have taken the concept of ‘freedom’ and ‘rights’ a bit too far and it is, perhaps, time for a reset. People have forgotten that rights only exist hand-in-hand with responsibility.

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