It’s Not Over Yet …

Three days ago, Trump supporters stormed the Capital building in Washington, destroyed public property, and caused the deaths of five people.  They were a mob, they fit every definition of domestic terrorists.  A few were arrested, and dozens more have since been identified and arrested, including the jerk who so proudly posed for a photo with his feet on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s desk.  Many have lost their jobs, as their employers saw their pictures or were informed of their unconscionable acts.  However, Wednesday was not the end, the movement has not been stopped or even slowed by the public condemnation or the relatively few arrests.

Yesterday’s headline …

terrorism

According to the article

Parler, Telegram chat rooms and the platform TheDonald.win were all used to plan and coordinate the Jan. 6 rally that turned into a riot. Posters explicitly stated their intentions to “occupy” the Capitol. QAnon conspiracy theorists and people associated with militia groups had a visible presence in Wednesday’s crowd.

“Round 2 on January 20th. This time no mercy. I don’t even care about keeping Trump in power. I care about war,” an anonymous person posted on the platform TheDonald.win, which is filled with comments posted by people who lauded those who rioted Wednesday as “heroes.”

Law enforcement is scrambling to identify those who broke into the Capitol building, and are worried about the inauguration as another target.

“There is growing concern that violent extremists are emboldened by the breach of the Capitol, which means the clock is ticking on taking down the most influential incites of violence before they act again,” said Frank Figliuzzi, former FBI assistant director and NBC News national security analyst.

The Secret Service, which is supervising security for the inauguration, could not immediately be reached for comment. The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the Secret Service, referred NBC News to the Secret Service.

According the National Park Service, which handles permits for rallies in D.C., there are seven First Amendment permit applications in process that overlap with the inauguration date, one of which is clearly for Trump supporters.

Over the years, I have often argued that the time has come to put some limitations on the First Amendment right to free speech.  Every ‘right’ comes with an associated responsibility, in this case the responsibility to act peacefully.  Those who would come to Washington to do harm, to kill and destroy, are taking their ‘right’ to free speech several steps too far and must be stopped within the next 11 days, else the eagerly anticipated inauguration day will become a bloodbath and the start of an internal war in this nation.

My first question is, if the organizers of Wednesdays riots were communicating their plans on the aforementioned websites, then the FBI and Department of Homeland Security surely knew of their plans, so why wasn’t there a heavy law enforcement presence surrounding the Capitol, rather than only a handful of Capitol Police, some of whom were actually seen helping the terrorist enter the building?  This is a question that MUST be answered … immediately!  Did Donald Trump somehow interfere or stop law enforcement from interrupting the plans of the terrorists?  Is the leadership in our security forces as corrupt as that at the head of our government?  We need to know, and somehow the plans for Joe Biden’s inauguration must be changed, must be made as secure and as private as possible.

If our own security forces have been compromised, as I believe may be the case, then who can we turn to for help?  I’ve lived on this earth for 69, almost 70 years now, and I’ve learned that fear is immobilizing, better to be angry than afraid.  And I am angry, but today I am also afraid.  I am afraid that in less than two weeks, this nation may be shattered like the windows of the Capitol were on Wednesday.  I’m afraid that our government is no longer functional, can no longer maintain a nation of law and order.  In fact, it would seem that many within our government are a part of the movement that seeks to overthrow it.

There are many who must share the blame for what happened Wednesday and what may yet happen in the coming two weeks, but the time for blame and punishment will come later.  Right now, it is time to work to ensure the safety of the incoming administration, of our lawmakers, and of the people of this nation.

For some time now, I have hoped that this nation could be reconciled, that the Great Divide between right and left could somehow begin to heal, but today I see no common ground to work with.  In my book, those who would destroy this nation with their racist, bigoted views are not of the same species as the rest of us and I think this nation may well be beyond repair.

42 thoughts on “It’s Not Over Yet …

  1. Commentators claim that the Capitol Hill rioters really believe that Trump had won the election, but I doubt that’s the case with the majority of his ardent supporters.

    Just the loss itself seems sufficient proof that Trump was cheated from a victory due to atypically massive electoral-ballot fraud—a claim they cannot factually support. (But they’d vehemently deny that any form of electoral fraud may have unjustly put Trump into the White House four years ago.)

    Were there not scrutineers from both political camps monitoring the election, including ballot counts, last November?

    Long before election day, Trump was saying he may not respect a Biden win, as though preparing his voter base for his inevitable refusal to leave office, at least not with dignity.

    I find it plausible they’re maintaining ‘Trump was cheated’ as an excuse for their attempt to overturn Joe Biden’s (apparently quite) legitimate electoral win—or at least make it as unpleasant as possible, as we saw on Jan. 6.

    Could those Trump supporters consciously or subconsciously believe that he MUST remain in office for some perceived greater good—notably to save America, make it great again or to simply do ‘God’s will’—regardless of his democratically-decided election loss, and all of those in the (non-surprising) majority who voted against Trump MUST be overridden?

    Might it be a case of that perhaps most dangerous of ideologies: the end justifies the means?

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  2. Dear Jill, what makes you think the Secret Service is on the side of democracy? Trump gave them more jobs than ever should have been needed. Trump gave then carte blsnche to act however they wanted, to kill people wantonly, and without consequence. He gave them outlets for their racist behaviours. He gave them the freedom to hate. Not all of them, I hope, but certainly many want to keep him in power. Why would they want to stop a bunch of right-wing armed bullies from trying to disrupt the fall of their hero. If they weren’t working that day, they probably would have been there on their own, part of the group (I refuse to call them a mob, they were always in control of their actions!) storming the halls of democracy. I’m sorry to be personal, Jill, but for all your snark in essence (Spelchek for snarkiness!) and fervour, you are still an innocent who believes good will win in the end. Tell that to Joe Biden when, quite possibly, he is assassinated at his inauguration. My hope is they don’t assassinate Kamala Harris at the same time.

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  3. We are out, but my most prized treasures, my family, remain there. There would not be a need to ‘identify’ or ‘hunt down’ these people if they had been arrested on the spot. If they were anything but white they would also not have been arrested-they would have been murdered ruthlessly and without remorse. Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined my country falling into such a state of disgrace. But it never surprises me that the false presence of God is behind it. Look what Christianity did throughout Europe during the dark ages and beyond. Declare your loyalty or die. No one in modern times ever wants to look at the ugly history, the truth behind the false face of grace that the church wears. There is no special glory in being part of any religion. Love is always about the people, their hearts and their convictions. This abuse of the Constitution and Amendment rights has been going on since the NRA reared its ugly head as a major presence in American commerce. In truth I am struggling most with forgiveness right now. I have close family and friends who supported, laughed at and looked past the ugly truth of the psychopathic presence that has held our Capitol hostage for the past four years. How can I reconcile with their ignorance, some of them continuing to cast a blind eye to truth while the others keep silent or don’t want to discuss it. They can’t deal with their own shame or sense of responsibility. Americans in most cases don’t accept that our freedoms were hard fought and are a privilege that is unique in comparison to the rest of the world. Freedom of speech is imperative as long as the intent is not one of violence or intent to incite. We let that one fall by the wayside with the rise of Neo Nazi groups allowed to march in America. I saw the handwriting on the wall even back then. 🥺😞😞😞😞

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    • Pardon me, Dweezer. I like you. I agree with most of what you say. But your freedom was not hard fought, it was bought with a sea of red blood, stolen with the slaughter of red men. America could easily have been built of foundations of peace, look at the history of the Thanksgiving celebration. If not for peaceful and generous red people, whites would never have survived their first winters on this continent now named after some White European asshole. We offered you peace, you paid us with bullets, diseased blankets, booze, bullying, and theft. Don’t tell me you fought hard for your freedom! You took it with violence, because violence is the white way of life. What happened in the capitol building was not violence, it was a squeak. And that caused you fear like you have never known. How do you think the women and children in native villages felt when white thieves, calling themselves soldiers, came with all barrels blazing. That was fear like you will never know! You want peace, you should have given peace 350 years ago when you had the chance!
      Okay, I’ve got that off my chest, for now, but I will never forgive or forget.
      Sorry, I actually intended to end this comment by saying something nice, but I have forgotten what it was. Maybe another time.

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        • Not blaming, reminding! Dweezer was talking about the history of the United States. I was not about to let her think it was glorious, when it was uglier than what is happening today. That was my only purpose. It was not aimed at Americans of today except as, like the holocaust in Germany, Americans created their own holocaust right here, and they are as guilty as were today’s German citizens.

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      • Well, first of all, nothing I said was aimed towards glorifying any kind of war, and I am first in line to say what was done to the indigenous peoples of North America was worse than atrocious. I won’t be offended by your words because they are not for me. If you ever bothered to read my other comments along the way, I have said many times that the most unforgivable acts against a race have yet to be accounted for because there still remains prejudice and racism towards the people who lived on American soil first.So, that being said, I was referring to the wars we fought against outside forces such as Nazi Germany, to defend ourselves and others from the tyranny of such madmen as Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump. Forgive me if I was not all inclusive enough for you.
        As for saying something ‘nice’, I don’t need your words. I am impeccable with my own and am at peace knowing I have no malice towards other humans who are struggling along this path.

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    • Your thoughts are much the same as my own, my friend. I think that what the people of this nation have lost sight of is that yes, those ‘rights’ they have were won with blood, sweat, and tears, but also that every right a person has is accompanied by a responsibility to use that right judiciously, to understand that my rights end where they begin to infringe on yours. I could spend all night writing how we got to where we are today, the causes and effects, but the bottom line is that it boils down to the narrow-mindedness of religion, and the bigotry that is ingrained in nearly half the people in this nation. The evangelicals, who almost single-handedly put Trump into office, would take away the rights of any who aren’t white, male, and Christian. Trump played on their fears of ‘other’, of the LGBT community, of Blacks, of immigrants, and has continued to do so ever since the day he took office. We are at a crossroads now. Trump is leaving, but his rabid base aren’t going away. Can the incoming administration find a common ground? I sure as hell hope so! Take care, my friend, keep safe. Hugs!

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  4. Have we forgotten Minneapolis, Portland, or Kenosha? There are extremists in all areas.
    In a perfect world, there is a balance. This is not a perfect world, and we are headed for another dark age. Once, there was a civilization that created the library of Alexandria. When it burned, we lost knowledge that has never been regained — this according to a professor of ancient history whose courses I like to take. It looks as if history is repeating itself and we are spiraling into a dark age again.

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    • Joelle, I understand your point. Civil protest is what we are all about; when violence is used it devalues the message of the protest. As an old white southern man and former Republican, the BLM movement has been largely a multi-cultural peaceful movement. It has been tainted by the violence of a few which should be condemned by all.

      The key difference here is the president of the US has set the stage and incited the insurrection against the our legislators. Rather than being among our better angels and lead us, as General James Mattis, noted the outgoing president has not even tried to unite us. What the president has done and is doing was predicted and predictable as he planned this for months and it is in his nature. What saddens me more is oath bound Senators who have looked the other way for four years, but especially over the last two months and those who support the outgoing president’s fraudulent claims that he has been unable to prove losing every recount and 59 out of 60 court cases.

      Fortunately, democracy held serve. And, by his actions, the outgoing president’s career as future candidate is over. I am sorry to push back a little, but totally agree violence is not the answer. Especially, when the US president foments it. Keith

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      • We are a republic — or were. Violence that is perpetrated by a few should be the responsibility of the few. If, as you say, the president “set the stage,” how can i anyone say that the mayors who let Antifa run amok didn’t “set the stage?” They welcomed the carnage.

        If President Trump is to be blamed and tried for the fact that out of 250,000 people a few who broke a strangely inadequate police line; the public official who allowed riots, encouraged people to occupy parts of towns and failed to stop the death and destruction should be on the chopping block with him.

        The blame has to be where it belongs — on the people who did the actual act.

        We have — had — the right to free speech. Perhaps in the blogging world, we still do. But for how long?

        You don’t have to apologize for the “push back.” Once, it was called debate. I may not agree with your assessment of the situation, but both of us should have the right — on any platform — to express different political opinions.

        When I look at what people on the left are seeing in the news, it’s like alternate universes have converged.

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        • Thanks Joelle. I appreciate your feedback. No mayor or president should want violence. As an independent and former Republican voter, I follow a variety of news sources, but do not watch Fox or MSNBC. What troubles me is how many red flags, nay sirens, have been given to the actions of this outgoing president that were ignored, rationalized or vehemently defended. The real patriots have been those who risked their careers and lives to speak out with concerns. Folks like Dr. Fiona Hill, Ambassador William Taylor, Inspectors General Michael Atkinson, Mitch Behm, and Glenn Fine, countless election officials, governors and Secretaries of State, many of whom are Republican. Some of these folks knew they would lose their jobs or risk a great deal, but did it anyway.

          Before the 2016 election, Thomas Wells, an attorney for Trump wrote “Donald Trump lies everyday, even about things of no consequence.” His attorney fixer, Michael Cohen testified under oath “Donald Trump is a racist, he is a con artist and he is a cheat.” What Trump has done the last two months is not a surprise. He planned it and it is in his nature. He has a heavy hand in lying to people, inviting these extremists to DC, revving them up and then “siccinig” them on the Capitol which included his supporters. Franky, that is sociopathic behavior.

          I do not care what party the president is part of. What he did is wrong. Our president has to be a leader not a rabble rouser. In my view, he should be removed from office. The same should hold true for any elected official who promotes violence at any level. Keith

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          • There were accolades and accusations about President Trump. He spoke what he believed, he didn’t tell people what they wanted to hear and then leave office richer than he was when he left.

            Unlike traditional politicians, he has less money now than he did when he became president — and he gave away each of his paychecks.

            In contrast, politicians like Waters, Pelosi and Obama became a lot richer; yet there are no uprisings about Obama’s opulent home in Martha’s vineyard, or Water’s fortune — funds that might be able to care for those less fortunate.

            Biden said he wanted unity. Pelosi began her “reign” in what she called “the temple of democracy” (we are supposed to be a republic, and she isn’t a god) by wanting to impeach President Trump a mere 10 days before Biden will be sworn in — alienating half the country. This increases the divide, it doesn’t heal it.

            President Trump was accomplishing peace in the middle east, and was nominated for nobel peace prizes. But people don’t want to see that. President Trump reformed the VA system. He built a fence that has slowed down human trafficking (a kinder word for slavery). And yet he continues to be vilified.

            Social media is working hand in hand with the future regime. Conservative talk shows, news sources, and social media sites are being “cancelled” by Twitter and Facebook. A few years ago, several conservative stores were told by PayPal that they could no longer use that site for buying and selling. days ago, Google and Apple have decreased conservative social media’s ability to be accessed by conservatives by removing their apps.

            …and this is just the beginning,

            No, I’m not seeing unity — I’m seeing a full-blown censorship that will be followed by a purge of people the far left doesn’t like, This is about free speech. How would you react if the shoe were on the other foot?

            In Nazi Germany, people watched as Jews (and others) were taken away. Few knew the full extent of atrocities that happened. My mother was a secretary at a German prisoner of war camp in Arizona. When the prisoners saw what had happened in the concentration camps she said that many cried our of grief, “I didn’t know.” Those who went to trial said, “I was just following orders.”

            It appears that history is repeating itself. I hope I’m wrong about my assessment of the situation.

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            • Joelle, to say the outgoing president did not accomplish things would not be a true statement. Given his nature to brag on himself and blame others for failures, to say he often overstated his role is a true statement. For example, to say he created this economy before the COVID-19 recession is not a true statement. The data shows he inherited an economy in its 91st consecutive month of economic growth (the third longest in US history), with unemployment at 5% and a more than doubled stock market under his predecessor. To his credit it continued and after the tax cut, it got a little better for a little while, then returned to the same levels of growth as under Obama. It was like a sugar rush.

              What bothers me is our global reputation is in the toilet, even before the Trump staged lying about the election fraud. The US is less trusted because its president is not trustworthy. The decline in US standing and that of the president are indicated in annual Pew polls which say Putin and Xi, two autocrats are trusted more than Trump. That saddens me.

              As for Trump believing what he says, he is a well-documented untruthful person by biographers, reporters, colleagues and fact checkers. His niece said her uncle tells his lies so often, he starts to believe his own BS. He planned this voter fraud tactic for months defaming the mail-in process, hobbling the post office, getting some GOP led legislatures to make the mail-in rules tougher, asking his voters to vote in person and then hiring 1,000 attorneys. What is sad is too many went along with this charade, with conspiracy theorists feeding him contrived or small acts of fraud, to where he started to believe his own BS. Not that I am prescient, but I wrote a post in September entitled “Take it to the bank, the president will sue to avoid losing the election.”

              This former Republican and independent voter believes Trump is the most corrupt and deceitful president in my lifetime, including Richard Nixon. As for McCarthy, he was advised by a young attorney named Roy Cohn. From his biographies, do you know who Trump’s mentor was – Roy Cohn? Cohn told Trump to “never apologize and sue everyone.” And, that is precisely what he has done his whole life.

              I am sorry, but that is the way this old fart feels. Trump did some good things, but he divided America, not even trying to unite us so said General James Mattis, his first Secretary of Defense. And, what he did leading up to and including last week is unforgivable. Keith

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              • Although I don’t agree with you, and neither of us can see why the other thinks the way we do, I want to thank you for the debate.

                As Dr. Thomas Sowell would tell you, the illusion of racism divided America, and that was fueled by Obama.

                As someone with Tourette’s and a woman in the 1960’s, I lived through prejudice and came out the other side of it, finding a job where my experiences have served to help others. I am thankful for every day of life and what God has given me.

                It looks like 1/2 of American is going to be faced with God’s tough love. Unfortunately, everyone is going to be reminded of why socialism fails every single time: Including those of us who can see what is coming.

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      • There is a big difference. President Trump was not fueling the flames of rioters. It was
        a positive, upbeat, affirmation of a man who did what politicians failed to do:
        He lived up to his promises.

        Mayors were fueling the flames of the rioters and doing nothing to stop to terrible losses. Nothing has been done to them.
        The only thing that impeaching president Trump will do is infuriate more than half the country. If Biden wants, as he has stated, unity, this is not the way to go about it.

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        • I think we don’t see Trump in quite the same light, for in my book, all he has done is further divide and destroy this nation. His ‘promises’ to end immigration, build a wall, etc., are not humanitarian, but are cruel and racist.

          Many share the blame for Wednesday’s terrorist attacks, but Trump also owns a piece of this pie, for he has been inciting the masses for two months now, and put the icing on the cake on Wednesday.

          While I have mixed thoughts about the impeachment, I generally think it needs to happen if for no other reason than to hold him accountable so that We the People can believe in justice, for otherwise we have no reason to believe that character matters, that truth matters, and that what Trump has done is NOT acceptable.

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          • I still believe that the mayor of burned and looted cities where business owners and others were killed need to be held accountable.

            If there is to be unity, as Biden says he wants, the way to do it is for President Trump to be able to go home in 10 days, and live out his life.

            What I am seeing happening right now to anyone who supported Trump is nothing less than Nazi tactics.

            I just saw anAn ABC News article calling for the “cleansing” of the movement of President Trump’s supporters was stealth-edited after critics questioned the charged word.

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          • I’m having trouble with my computer, and the reply was not complete. We the People, who believe in free speech are seeing free speech under fire. People were appalled a Mccarthyism, but that is happening again — from the left. There is talk of blacklisting anyone who worked in DC with President Trump.

            As my mother used to say, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”

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    • If the U.S. fails, it certainly doesn’t mean the rest of the world must follow us into the darkness. Like you, I don’t want to live in a place where there can be no peace, where people are mistreated simply because the colour of their skin or their religion or gender identity. The U.S. is becoming more and more narrow-minded, bigoted, and the past decade or so has only widened the divide. Comes a point when something is broken so badly that it’s no longer reparable, but better to replace it (think of Socrates!)
      Cwtch

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    • Obviously even a fast-tracked impeachment can’t remove him from office in the next 10 days, at which point he will be gone, one way or another. However, there is still a valid reason to pursue impeachment, for if he is both impeached and convicted, he will never again be eligible to hold a public office, thus putting an end to any ideas he may have about running again in 2024. Yes, he should be in jail, but we both know the likelihood of that is slim, and not going to happen quickly.

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        • The people who didn’t ignore it, lost their jobs and were replaced with people willing to swear an oath of fealty to Trump. Don’t count on McConnell being gone for long … I’m betting that in 2022 he may well regain his position as Senate Majority Leader. I do hope I’m wrong, but I won’t be surprised to see both chambers of Congress with a Republican majority after the mid-terms. Sigh.

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  5. If I were Biden and family, I would be scared, and that’s what “they” want, to instill fear among Americans. These people are not soldiers, nor patriots, they are stupid cowards with weapons.

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    • Yes, that is exactly what they want, for us all to hide in our bunkers while they wreak havoc for no other reason than a) they are ignorant, b) they are racists. Sigh. The majority of people in this country, I still believe, are good people, but deplorables have the loudest voices and are determined to make themselves heard at any price.

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  7. Jill, five have died during this latest insurrection instigated by the most corrupt and deceitful president ever. More will die as a result of these Trump extremists, including those that believe this derlict human being. The GOP is culpable in reinforcing this criminal behavior. Keith

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  8. “…this nation may well be beyond repair.” Sadly, I agree. As I concluded in my post for today,
    “The Trump-inspired January 6 mob invasion of the Capitol building—in which five people died and more would have had the mob achieved their goals—is clear evidence that a huge percentage of Americans have chosen a new reference point for metaphysics, morality, and epistemology. The implications of that choice should frighten the other Americans who simply want to live in a world where reality reigns.” https://grumpy16.wixsite.com/mysite/post/reality-relinquished-trump-as-the-ultimate-reference-point

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  9. Thank you so much for calling this stuff out even though I knew you would. This insurrection is insane. If those terrorists weren’t white (especially if they’re Black or Arab), then all of them would be gunned down before even reaching the steps and there’d be way more arrests. I’m just sick of these double standards with how certain people are treated for doing the same thing or for far less. I’m glad more and more of them have been identified, fired, and arrested, but this was pure lunacy.

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    • Dear Jill and Ospreyshire (C. M. B. Bell),

      Yes, I concur with both of you. It is a difficult and trying time.

      Needless to say, we live in interesting times indeed, but often for the wrong reasons. What a day it was to unfold with sedition and insurrection!

      2020, the Year of the Rat, has brought us not the plague (black death) but Covid-19!

      And 2020 also brought out the worst of Trumpism! Could it really get even worse in 2021?

      Whilst some of us may take some comfort in our living somewhere else, there is the danger that Trumpism may spread elsewhere or be mirrored by other corrupt politicians outside the United States.

      Trumpism has presented a very tempting template for those who intend to participate in the (re)production of misinformation, disinformation, post-truth politics, demagoguery, plutocracy, oligarchy, ochlocracy, kleptocracy, kakistocracy, narcissistic leadership, neoliberalism.

      Democracy is not a given. It can be quite fragile, can fail rather badly, and often is approximately as good and benevolent (or bad and malevolent) as the members who practice, control and/or legislate it. We all need to do our parts in contributing to the smooth and equitable functioning of a civil country and democratic society. I have done mine in highlighting many of the most fundamental causes through my writings, and I hope that you will find more answers and solutions to these thorny issues in my latest and recently expanded post entitled “Misquotation Pandemic and Disinformation Polemic: Mind Pollution by Viral Falsity” and published at https://soundeagle.wordpress.com/2020/12/19/misquotation-pandemic-and-disinformation-polemic-mind-pollution-by-viral-falsity/

      Thank you for your very timely post, Jill. You have made many good points and observations regarding what has happened and what might potentially coming our way.

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