Thumbs Up To Mike Pence (And Other Stuff)

Mike Pence held a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2001-2013.  He was Governor of Indiana from 2013-2017 when he became the Vice President of the U.S.  Pence holds a Bachelor of Arts in history from Hanover College and a Juris Doctor from the Robert H. McKinney School of Law at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis.  Mike Pence knows the law.  Donald Trump holds only a business degree and it is highly suspected that his father bought it since Donnie’s grades were far below par.  He does NOT know the law and furthermore doesn’t care … he makes it up as he goes and he seems to believe that his word, especially when he occupied the Oval Office, was the law.

On January 6th 2021, Mike Pence upheld the law, he certified the votes of We the People and refused to cave to the pressure being put upon him by Donald Trump, who had demanded that he refuse to hear our voices, our choices, and overturn what was a fair and honest election.  He followed the law and did his job, despite the violent people who tried to stop him, despite the fact there was a noose outside the Capitol with his name on it.  Now, I am no fan of Mike Pence because of his stance on such things as women’s rights and the LGBTQ community, however in all fairness, Mike Pence was a hero on that day.  And yesterday, Mike Pence also earned my respect and admiration.

Yesterday, speaking at the Federalist Society conference near Orlando, Florida, Pence sharply rebuked Trump for suggesting he had the ability to overturn the results of the 2020 election, calling the idea “un-American.”

“There are those in our party who believe that as the presiding officer over the joint session of Congress, I possessed unilateral authority to reject Electoral College votes. And I heard this week that President Trump said I had the right to ‘overturn the election.’ President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone. Frankly, there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president. Under the Constitution, I had no right to change the outcome of our election.

The truth is, there’s more at stake than our party or our political fortunes. If we lose faith in the Constitution, we won’t just lose elections — we’ll lose our country.”

Bravo, Mike Pence!  Naturally, the former guy couldn’t keep his mouth shut and issued a rambling, incoherent statement claiming that his position was correct, and Pence did have the power to reject the election outcome because of “irregularities” in the results.  Make no mistake, there were no “irregularities” and certainly none that would have affected the outcome of the election in any state … not a single state!  As I said, Mike Pence knows the law, Donald Trump does not.  Period.

The Republican Party leadership needs to put this one to bed, and while they’re at it, they need to end their support for the former guy who is a threat to the very core principles of this nation and a threat to We the People.  He must not be enabled, must not find support in the party leadership, and must not under any circumstances be allowed to run for public office ever again.  Meanwhile, give credit where credit is due, and Mike Pence deserves kudos for his courage in standing up for the rights of the people against his former boss.  Thank you, Mr. Pence.


Meanwhile …

The Republican Party voted to censure Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois for taking part in the House investigation of the events of and leading up to the attempt to overthrow the 2020 election on January 6th 2021.  But the GOP went even further, saying that Kinzinger and Cheney were participating in “persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.”  SAY WHAT????  The attempted coup, the attempt to overturn a valid and just election, to silence the voices of We the People, We the Taxpayers, was a “legitimate political discourse?”  BULLSHIT!!!  It was a bloody and violent staged action plotted by Trump and his minions, intended to destroy the government of the United States as we know it!!!

Liz Cheney (l.) and Adam Kinzinger on the January 6th House Special Committee to investigate the events of 01/06/2021

My hat is off to both Mr. Kinzinger and Ms. Cheney for their courage in the face harsh blowback from a madman and the party that has fallen prey to him.  Let us hope that in November the voters have enough intelligence to support these two who truly want to get to the bottom of what happened and why, in order to ensure it never happens again!  Like Mike Pence, Representatives Kinzinger and Cheney take seriously their Oath of Office, their obligation to the Constitution and the people of this nation.


And in other news …

Not long ago I wrote about newly-elected Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin and some of the ‘executive orders’ he signed on his first day in office.  One of those orders was basically striking down mask mandates in schools, allowing parents to ‘opt out.’  Well, turns out there is some good common sense left somewhere, for yesterday Arlington Circuit Court Judge Louise DiMatteo ruled in favor of seven school boards that filed a lawsuit challenging the governor’s order.  Her temporary restraining order means mask mandates put in place by school boards may remain, at least for now.  Thumbs up to Judge DiMatteo and the school boards who actually care about the lives of their students.

58 thoughts on “Thumbs Up To Mike Pence (And Other Stuff)

  1. Jill, great and timely post. Pence’s words are needed, but twelve months late. The GOP had a chance to rid the party and our country of a malignancy, but chose not to. The country needed only ten more GOP votes to convict the former president for his seditious actions and words leading up to an on January 6.

    Yet, I still applaud them as I do the two representatives censured by the RNC two days ago. I did call my two GOP Senators and GOP congressman to share my frustration and concern that the RNC was censuring the truth tellers and aggrandizing the liars. I also sent two notes, one before the vote and the second afterwards, to the RNC. I said I guess you will need to censure Mike Pence and Asa Hutchinson, the GOP head of the National Governor’s Association, as they have been critical of the former president. Maybe former AG William Barr should be censured as well for telling Trump to his face in a group setting that his election fraud claims were “bull**it.”

    The reason for the censure is the truth is coming out about January 6. It is a panic move to try to discredit the committee’s efforts. I read the GOP is lamenting not taking this committee seriously. When McCarthy nominated two people who would be people of interest to the investigation, who were turned down, he took his sand toys and went home. So, Pelosi added two sane GOP voices. McCarthy messed up and realizes it now.

    That is my two cents. What is interesting is the number of folks who feel they can now criticize the former president is slowly growing, but it is growing.

    Keith

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    • Thank you, Keith!!! I agree that Pence is a “day late and dollar short”, and it may well be that, as a number of readers pointed out, he is only now standing up as an opening to his own campaign for 2024. I cannot read his mind, so I don’t know if he’s being honest, or playing the political game still. The entire Republican ‘leadership’ needs to step back and remember WHO they are responsible to and to WHOM they owe their loyalty, and it isn’t the former guy!!! The entire party disgusts me and when honest people like Kinzinger and Cheney step outside that box and exhibit integrity and courage, they should be applauded, not condemned. Apparently, along with giving up their platform, the GOP has given up its very soul, if it had one. I think of them now as the party of bigotry and violence, the party that is owned, lock stock & barrel, by the wealthy 1%. Sigh.

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    • I agree with your view Keith. It should have been acted upon earlier, but….
      This is a time when the soul of a nation is being fought over. You have the traditional ramshackled consensus of varying groups stumbling, bumbling along but finally working together and that is America’s strength. Or you have the rabble of prejudice, hate and ignorance of just one section trying to impose their will.
      The broad parallels of WWII between Allies and Axis are inescapable. The winning of Pence over is a victory, albeit it small. In the febrile atmosphere of these days I don’t think folk of ‘this side’ appreciate his actions took some nerve and dare I say ‘moxy’. To condemn him now for past deeds and judge him as simply a Republican and thus irredeemable are pointless gestures in this war.
      I have already written this but it bears repeating ‘Wars are won by expediency’

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      • Jill, Roger, a key fact the GOP leadership has failed to grasp is as Trump is threatened and competed with, he will lash out at everyone. He and DeSantis are increasingly at odds, as are he and McConnell. Pence will be an easy target. Trump has always run his business like a Mafia boss, demanding loyalty. His niece’s comment of her “uncle burning it all down to not lose the election” applies to the GOP. He will burn it all down to get the nod in 2024. Keith

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        • No one has ever stood up to Trump, and in basic locker room language told him what they thought of him. Have they?
          He is an over-privileged adolescent brat, with no true back-bone. We’ve said it before, it bears repeating the calibre of the politicians of the 1960s and earlier would have demolished him and still had time for a round of golf, evening of poker etc.

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        • I think it would be a great help if the media simply refused to rise to the bait and ignored Trump completely! They won’t for apparently his voice sells ad copy, but it surely would make life easier and make Trump far less relevant even to the GOP than he currently is. Yep, he will try again to burn it all down as he tried to do in January 2021 and even since then. I just hope he never succeeds.

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  2. Gimme a break already! Any statement from Pence is long overdue & it would have been nice if he had stated strongly that there was no need to even question the result … & that bit about “WE” winning in 2024 … pul-leaze!

    There is absolutely nothing to admire about Pence. Nothing.

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    • Yours seems to be the majority opinion, and I’m even feeling less kindly toward Pence now that I’ve thought about it. Still, I’m glad he had the courage to uphold his oath on January 6th last year, else our nation might look very different today than it does.

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    • He’s attacking Trump. In the grim war for the soul of the USA that is sufficient.
      Cut to WWII. Churchill no fan of Communism or the USSR said upon Germany’s invasion of the aforementioned:
      ‘If Hitler were to march into Hell I would at least make a favourable comment about the devil in the House of Commons’
      Wars are won by expediency.

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  3. Hey MAGA & Co; Mike Pence has the approval of a Very Important Person as quoted in the New Testament of the Bible.
    Luke 15:7
    ‘I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.’

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  5. I stand on Ellen and Annie’s side, Pence has done nothing real to bring the political divide closer together. Although, he may have done nothing to increase that divide, this time. But that is not an accomplishment, but probably a failure on his Republican heart’s side. I don’t think any Republican will ever let him be relevant again, no matter how hard he tries…

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    • Overall, I’m no fan of Mike Pence for his stance on many things, particularly civil liberties. And yes, Annie & Ellen both gave me pause for thought. But, at the end of the day, while Pence is not a person I would cast a vote for, I still believe he does deserve credit for doing the right thing this time.

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  6. I am most likely going out on a limb here and sawing it off as I type! You will hear no applause from me for Mike Pence…present or future. I find little to admire in Mike Pence’s long overdue denial of Trump’s posturing which could have seen this then-VP literally swinging in the wind on Jan.6, 2021. I also do not see him as particularly heroic for upholding the Constitution which he had sworn an oath to do. Yes, it can truly be said that his life was in peril that day but since then Pence has dallied too long to place the blame where it belongs…at Trump’s feet. The Pence quote : “I had no right to change the outcome of our election” was followed by “Kamala Harris will have no right to over turn the election when we win in 2024.” It seems to me that Mike Pence is maneuvering to gain some relevance within the GOP. If Pence is planning a bid for the presidency in 2014 he will need that and a heap more… but he’s got to start somewhere and this may have been just that!

    Now then, in an attempt to inch my way off that teetering limb may I agree whole heartedly with you on ‘Meanwhile…’!
    I am pleased that 2 of Rhode Island’s 3 Republican National Committee members voted against the censure and did not agree that Jan. 6th was “legitimate political discourse”. I could be wrong but isn’t discourse a written or vocal communication such as a debate or did I miss that part of the attempted coup?

    I do give a thumbs up to Judge DiMatteo and hope that her ruling prevails. Youngkin is another visible force behind the decline of our democracy and there are far too many others like him. WHAK!! Thank-you!

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    • Now dear Ellen … you know I value your opinion even if I may not agree with it, so no, you haven’t sawed off that limb! You actually make some excellent points in that Pence could have said what he said a year ago and perhaps played a role in reducing the effects of the “Big Lie”. And, his better angels getting to him now doesn’t negate the four year he spent licking Trump’s boots, either. Still, I think I feel he deserves a thumbs-up for it … better late than never. But, you may also be right that this is part of his plan to enhance his following as he plans to run for the presidency in 2024. He hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, but I’d like to think his candidacy will dilute the Republican vote and make it also impossible for Trump to win. Anyway, he gets my thumb up for this one, but not for his past actions nor for his bigotry that I’ve always held against him.

      That “legitimate political discourse” thing still has me growling. No, you are not wrong in your definition of discourse. And it damn sure is NOT ‘legitimate’ nor ‘civil’ to kill police officers, to steal from We the People, to threaten lives, to damage OUR property, or to attempt to overthrow OUR election!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr … Thumbs up to Cheney and Kinzinger … sadly, Mr. Kinzinger is leaving Congress at the end of this year, but Ms. Cheney’s fund-raising, from what I understand, is many times higher than that of her Trump-supported opponent, so perhaps there are some sane people in Wisconsin after all!

      Youngkin better enjoy his term, for I’m betting it will be his only one … already the people of Virginia are beginning to regret their decision. Perhaps he will be the perpetrator of his own political demise. WHAK!!!

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      • Please accept my gratitude for your safety net beneath that limb. But still, dear friend, we shall have to agree to disagree on this one! Mike Pence was a supporting character in a bad play that ran for four years. Pence’s curtain call in Congress on January 6, 2021 garnered him applause from some and condemnation from others…such is an actor’s fate! However, attempting to take one final bow in 2022 in the hope of ensuring he’s chosen for a leading role in another play does not earn my applause! WHAK!! Thank-you!

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        • You may be right … I’ve looked at it from every angle and … I’m tired. Time will tell whether Pence had an attack of conscience or whether he was oiling the rails for his 2024 campaign. Some days I think maybe the ways of the Olde West were better … Pence and Trump could just have a shootout at the OK Corral and be done with it all! Sigh. WHAK!!!

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    • I think he might … but who knows? He has absolutely nothing to lose by testifying. He’s already burned his bridges with Trump and has nothing more to fear from him. And, he obviously does have a conscience since he did the right thing on 01/06/2021 and stands by his decision a year later. And, since he wasn’t part of the plotted coup, he cannot be charged with a crime. So, what has he got to lose?

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      • I hope you’re right, but Pence has had plenty of time since Jan. 6, 2021, to FORCEFULLY denounce Trump and act as courageously as the very conservative Liz Cheney has done (even though she’s up for re-election this year). The fact that he has now done so tells me that he has finally made the political calculation that he has nothing to lose, thus freeing his conscience to prevail. Nonetheless, “old habits die hard” — which is why I have a hard time seeing him testify before the Jan. 6 committee.

        But again, I hope you’re right.

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        • I think you are likely more nearly right than I am. The more I think about it, the more this does seem like an opening for his 2024 campaign. And even then, he didn’t exactly denounce Trump, the Big Lie, or anything else. Sigh. Where are the good honest politicos who uphold their oath and care about the people?

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  7. I would say “half a pinky up for Mike Pence.” He made his decision to uphold his Constitutional vows only after Dan Quayle, of all people, insisted he had to. And had he said “Donald Trump is wrong” at that time, it could have made a difference in diminishing the growth of the Big Lie. His silence was cowardice, and it was damaging. In no way would I place him in the same principled category as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
    Now, if he agrees to testify under oath before the January 6 committee without delay, I’ll be willing to straighten my pinky.

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    • I see your point, and Ellen’s too. His conscience now cannot make up for the four years he spent licking Trump’s boots. Still, I give him kudos and hope perhaps this means he has come to understand some things that he turned a blind eye to for years. I hope that he will be a decent man and testify before the January 6th committee … I would think it would be a no-brainer as no doubt he keeps hearing those voices shouting “Hang Mike Pence”!

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      • Unfortunately, I think the more likely scenario is that he “got religion” after his two close aides testified at length before the Jan 6 Committee, and he realized that the committee has so much damaging material that he must step his toe into moving toward the right —as in correct—side of history. I’m glad he said what he said, but the applause he got from the Federalist Society attendees shows how important his speech may have been a year ago.

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          • This is why I go on about Realpolitik Jill.
            It’s not ethical like a lot of folk would wish politics; it’s often not honest, but when faced with a threat like MAGA you seize an opportunity to force it back and then bring it down.

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            • Sigh … the lesser of two evils, so to speak. I think that has most always been the case, but some people seem to require the ‘perfect’ candidate … while I’m not sure such a critter exists. I wonder some days what this nation will look like in 50 years.

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              • There is no perfect candidate. Folk have to remember that. The perfect candidate is not human, and it’s Human that can do two things Create or Destroy…of course sometimes it can do the two at the same time and its the balance that counts.
                50 years Jill? That can be a long haul in History – Think January 1900 and December 1950.
                My own feeling is USA a loose federation of independent states. Some good, some very bad, some owned by other nations. It happens.
                ‘Course I could be wrong and the nation will make it through. Gonna be some dishes broken on the way though.

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                • No, there is no perfect candidate, but there are varying degrees of good and evil, with ‘good’ in my mind being a dedication to the well-being of the people of the nation … all the people, not just the rich ones.

                  True, 50 years is a long haul, but also a blink of an eye in some ways. 50 years ago, I was 20 and had two babies, and it seems sometimes like just a bit ago. But, in 50 years this nation could see as many as 12 more presidents come and go, or as few as … one, if the wrong person is elected in 2024. Oh yeah … some dishes and maybe some bones broken along the way!

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                  • Spot on Jill.
                    The best candidate will be the one who tries to reach out to the whole nation; not just one group.
                    This talk about about Trump returning and trying to install himself or a successor as ‘president for life’..
                    Touchstone for a violent kick back.
                    Whoever they might be, they’ll need gun control laws….History loves its ironies.

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                    • Agreed … the best candidate will be the one who genuinely cares about other people more than he/she cares about money or power. As re Trump’s return … the solution is quite simple … he should be in prison well before the election season even begins. He has committed a number of crimes that are considered felonies and are punishable by a prison sentence … the Department of Justice needs to get on the stick and send him away until at least 2030! But if they don’t, then the Republican Party I’m seeing today would likely aid and abet his effort to install himself and his son as dictators. I dunno, Roger … it seems only the Trumpeters have most of the guns anyway … those of us with any sense don’t want them, don’t need them, and don’t have them. Sigh.

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                    • I know this makes uncomfortable reading Jill and I have tried not to dwell too much on this side of matters, because most folk on your posts see things in a solely political side and are essentially non-violent.
                      That said just because MAGA have most of the guns now is a mirage. They push one step too far and they will be on the receiving end of what they started.
                      They are not the only ones in the USA with access to firearms, and anger can turn to outrage, can turn to violence. Once that happens at a civic level then you will see something very similar to Ulster, or possible at a lower level version of Lebanon where numerous groups fight for their own turf.
                      It is a scenario which is plausible. If your politicians were not so complacent about the structure of the USA as being a permanent feature they were not sleep at night and would try stop this slide.

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  8. I disagree with most of what Mike Pence stands for. But I do respect him for his stand on this. Similarly, I respect Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for the stands that they have taken.

    I am heartened that there are still some principle Republicans. But, as a whole, the Republican party has demonstrated that it is it is no running on principles.

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    • That’s my feeling as well. A few have commented that this action doesn’t make up for the 4 years he spent licking Trump’s boots, and that is quite true, but I still think he deserves to be recognized for having done the right thing. The only principle I can see the Republican Party stands for is bigotry in all forms!

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