Ukraine

So wrapped up are we here in the U.S. with our internal crises that we have forgotten to pay as much attention to what is happening in Ukraine. It isn’t that we’ve forgotten, or that we don’t care, but simply a product of the fact that the human mind can only process so much at one time. Our friend David in Wales has been paying attention, however, and he is here to remind us that Putin’s aggression has predictably increased, that more and more lives are being lost every day. While we in the U.S. bemoan the loss of our rights, our democratic foundations, the people in Ukraine are fleeing Russian bombs, watching their homes and their lives destroyed in front of their eyes. Thank you, David, for the timely reminder.

The BUTHIDARS

Todaay we enter a new darker period in the war in Ukraine.Prior to the G7 and Nato meeting on the conflict there was a rocket attack on a suburb of Kyiv which left at least one dead and more civilians mourning. Since then there has been a rocket attack on Kremenchuk in Central Ukraine, an area well away from the front line. The attack in full daylight hit a busy shopping arcade/ This cannot have been a mistake so showing that Uncle Vlad is now condoning attacks on civilians in Crowded areas.

I have to believe that The G7 meeting may have pissed Putin off, since he is no longer invited and this is his way of showing he’s not worried by their deliberations. A bit of a short sighted view since the accusations of War Crimes won’t be easy to shake off and if he is ever turfed out…

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  2. Good share Jill.
    We are tight-rope walking through a full scale conventional European war and as much as I would like to see Putin feel the full wrath of outrage this is not as easy as it seems.
    The signals are out that a large part of Europe ie UK and with the exception of Hungary and Serbia those nations which border Russia or are very close are ready to hunker down for a long war. France, Germany and Italy have yet to find their long-term strategy, it’s not that easy when your political base is unsteady and your economies are still trying to untangle from Russia.
    Russian military / political policy has never been too concerned about human welfare. This was posted up clearly during the Chechnya Wars and of late in Syria. We should not be surprised.
    It is time though to play rough. Clandestine Warfare. Discredit anyone who supports or excuses Russia.
    And folks for goodness sake. Read your histories! There is nothing new going on here. We just an’t learning s’all.

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    • “and of late in Syria”
      You mean Syria, that Syria that invited the Russian army to help in the fight against (American founded and financed) ISIS? And you’re talking about the Russians who actually fought ISIS instead of keeping the entire population of a full province at ransom (like the Americans did)? The same Russians who are right now saving thousands of civilian lives from Ukrainian shelling?

      “Discredit anyone who supports or excuses Russia.”
      So you wanna discredit all the good people in the world just for the sake of a small elite of one single country? That blatantly? Why don’t you check your ethics from time to time?

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      • Are you suggesting that all the good people of the world support Russia? Ifg so you’re even more delusional than I thought.. How re Russians saving thousands of Civilian lives from ukarainan Shelling since they’re the invaders and shelling civilian targets. I think you should tell your paymasters that we’re tired of hearing this rubbish.,

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        • I had deleted Orca’s comment because upon reading it the second time, I found it to be disrespectful to Roger and other readers, but I restored it this morning once I realized you had already responded. You’re right, David … she seems to view the war in Ukraine through some sort of distorted glasses … either that or she has another, more sinister motive for her alternated universe viewpoint.

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    • Thanks to David, for while I have not forgotten about the war on Ukraine, it had admittedly wandered to the back of my mind. One of the things I’ve been concerned about since Putin first attacked Ukraine in February was that this could lead to a long war, mainly a stalemate, with an accompanying loss of life on all sides. I would dearly love to see Putin brought down, whatever that takes, and there are signs that he’s running low on resources, but I fear that he, like Trump on this side of the pond, would blow it up rather than lose face, for he is a ‘man’ concerned more with his own ego than the good of the people in his nation or any other.

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      • This is War Jill. Once the first blood is shed there are no takebacks. The dam is broken and the momentum drags everyone along. No one is fully in control and the one who makes the least mistakes and blunders and takes advantage of the other’s mistakes and blunders might come out the winner.
        Wars are only neat when viewed through the prism of third-rate wannabe historians and folk with a political flag to wave.
        And the real kick in the pants is that their ramifications continue after the guns have gone silent.
        The Kremlin Court lost control months back, it’s gone into Russian juggernaut mode, which may make short-term gains but leaves it with a big debt that isn’t just in terms of roubles.

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        • Funny, isn’t it, that World War I was dubbed the “War to End All Wars”, but was closely followed by WWII. But I think that with the current climate worldwide, both environmental and political, if the war in Ukraine expands outward, it will truly be the war to end all wars … and all civilization as well. In which case, it won’t matter who owes money to whom. Sigh.

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          • I carried out this thought exercise once.
            ‘How did WWII start?’
            Easy, unfinished business from WWI….
            ‘OK. How did that start?’
            Well, you have to consider the disruption of the Balkan Wars, and the echoes of the Franco-Prussian War.
            ‘And they all started?’
            Well, you have consider the decline of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of Germany out of the remains of the Napoleonic Wars, the Austro-Prussian War,…. The….
            And I kept on going back to the Seven Years War, and wasn’t done yet…..
            I don’t think the Ukranian War will be ‘the event’ though it certainly is a warning. It is a zero-sum game. But the factors are varied and they are still swirling.

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            • And this is one of the things I love about you … your knowledge of history and your ability to tie it all together, to relate what happens today to the past. I think I just don’t trust Putin’s fragile ego … I think that if he sees no hope for a win at some point, then he might decide to go out in a blaze and take the rest of the world with him. But then, had I been alive at the time, I would likely have had the same concerns about Hitler, but the difference is we didn’t have a nuclear playing field then. Or, perhaps I’m far off base … whereas you go up into your tower, I go deep down into my rabbit hole, which is where I find myself at present. It’s dark down here, and not so easy to see clearly, methinks.

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              • Thank you Jill for your kind words, though truth be known studying history can be depressing and the cause of aggravation. Particularly when you see folk making the same mistakes over and over.
                Sure, Putin may get into a state of mind when he wants to do that.
                Thing is; he’s not the last link in that chain. Nor is Russia wholly autonomised. There are variables.
                This has a long way to run yet.
                I can understand about American folk going down that rabbit hole, when about one-third of your population joined hands and started dragging the entire nation to the edge of a cliff.

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                • Yes, it can be depressing, or inspiring, depending on a number of things, but some take inspiration from the fact that the world has survived all the horrors that it has experienced. Personally, I question just how much longer the world can continue with ‘man’ at the helm.

                  Indeed, about a third of the population, and as luck would have it, the loudest, most obnoxious third. And now … it appears the Supreme Court is but another arm of the fascist Republican Party and … I am curiously and cautiously trying to peer ahead ten years … which may well cause me to voluntarily head for that cliff’s edge!

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                  • We could vanish in a thousand years Jill, even a hundred and a million years later ( a short time in the world’s life) it would be like we’d never been around, smear on the fossil record.
                    That said, we keep on hoping. For the aggressors and the ignorant will be consumed by their own follies, giving opportunity for better folk to rise. It is a constant struggle against or lesser natures.
                    Ten years time?
                    Who can say?
                    The most likely outcome will be something this parody of The Republican party did not expect.

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                    • Yep, a mere smear on the fossil record. I sometimes find humour thinking of a day many millennia from now, when a group of some species wanders upon the ruins of, say, New York City or London or Tokyo, scratch their collective heads, and say, “WTF???” In whatever form of language they use! I have little hope for the long-term of the human species, mostly because far too many are ignorantly ignoring the fact that we are our own worst enemy, that we are destroying not only our society, our culture, but our very habitat. But … in many ways, it doesn’t depress me, for the earth has been around a long time, has been host to millions of different species — humans are only one, the most arrogant one, it seems. I think I can be happy as a wolf … 🐺

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                    • These small, unpleasant folk you have scrabbling upon the USA’s stage, babbling whatever comes into their febrile heads.
                      Nothing.
                      Not even a smear on the record, at the very most gathered under a collective phrase ‘a movement’ or ‘an unrest’ and that will be all, for a few hundred years, then that will fade too.
                      Meanwhile the writings of small folk like you or I will be poured over by historians for evidence of ordinary folk.
                      Rabbles are a dime-a-dozen on the pages of history. Ordinary folk are important facets.

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                    • Hmmmm … it makes me smile to think of my relatively meaningless blog posts being entered into the annals of history someday! I still don’t see much hope for the survival of the species in the long-term, though. I hope to be proven wrong!

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                    • ‘Twould be interesting to see what, say, another few thousand years of evolution would leave humans looking like. I’d like to think they would grow fur again, so as to be more appealing. And perhaps another lobe in their brain — this one giving them the ability to be kind and compassionate. But alas … we have brought about the extinction of so many species, and now it seems only fair that we go and leave the remaining species to do the evolving.

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  3. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I feel that it’s entirely possible that all of the distractions in recent months/ years could well be deliberate attempts by ‘the elites’ (yes, I know, it’s a much-abused and hackneyed label) to keep us all so busy that we can’t effectively address any of the problems.

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